Updated again!: So Jacques is out of BAR (and Takuma's in already at Suzuka!). - Page 2

freakray · #16 10-09-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexy beast

But Hakkinen and Hill didn't retire for the same reasons Jaques needs to. JV got spoiled from early success.

There is a closer relation to Hill retiring and Villeneuve needing to retire than there is between either of them and Mika's retirement.

Mika will at least be remembered for being at the top right up to his retirement, neither Villeneuve(with his impending retirement) nor Hill can be said to have retired at the high end of their career.

Layla's Keeper · #17 10-09-2003, 04:18 PM

True, Hakkinen left of his own accord (and to make way for a new young team member) and Hill was getting old.

Still, I stand by my stating he needs to shut up. His father is one of the incomparable greats. There's no telling what Gilles could've accomplished for Ferrari in the 126C2 if not for his demise. Gilles was Il Commendatore's favorite. His death was the triggering element in Ferrari's decline into the non-competitive rut that, while producing excellent cars (Dr. Harvey Postlethwaite stands in my memory as one of the best aerodynamicists of the 80's) driven by truly great drivers (Michele Alboreto, Nigel Mansell, Willy Mairesse), did not produce results.

Jacques is not Gilles, as much as he believes that. I'm glad Richards has done this. Especially considering I believe Sato has the technical merit to bring much needed points to BAR.

z33guy · #18 10-09-2003, 05:11 PM

JV and Irvine can take turns looking thru the racing classifieds now i guess

Sexy beast · #19 10-09-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by freakray

There is a closer relation to Hill retiring and Villeneuve needing to retire than there is between either of them and Mika's retirement.

Mika will at least be remembered for being at the top right up to his retirement, neither Villeneuve(with his impending retirement) nor Hill can be said to have retired at the high end of their career.

Yeah, Hill was driving with a real casual attitude at the end, but I remember an article back in 96 where Hill said he was planning to retire around 2000, he had pressure from his wife.
Hakkinen I felt retired because he was was fed up with F1, not the driving, but the atmosphere and the fans, especially the Tiffosi. He walked out pretty high, but I would have rather seen him continue racing in a Minardi than to never see him again. Well at least they didn't retire for the same reasons as Nigel "Stay Puff" Mansell.

Layla's Keeper's right, JV should just shup up and be a man.

ales · #20 10-09-2003, 09:53 PM

What a silly thing to say! Mika's contract expired the day Erja tore it up

He didn't look motivated at all by the end of the 2001 season after McLaren failed to give him a car that was worth him at the beginning of the year. Fed up with the tifosi ... I'd say Mika was the one that the tifosi liked and respected the most out of the rivals and still do.

freakray · #21 10-09-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ales

What a silly thing to say! Mika's contract expired the day Erja tore it up

He didn't look motivated at all by the end of the 2001 season after McLaren failed to give him a car that was worth him at the beginning of the year. Fed up with the tifosi ... I'd say Mika was the one that the tifosi liked and respected the most out of the rivals and still do.

I have top agree with Alex, even MS himself once commented that the driver he feared most on the grid was Mika.
Mika himself admitted to having lost a passion for racing, hence his sabbatical season for 2002, he was hoping the passion would return if he spent some time off, it didn't so he announced his retirement from F1.

RallyRaider · #22 10-10-2003, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

Yay! No more of "l'enfant terrible". God, I love Gilles (as a driver) but the boy needed a good caning. His arrogance was totally unfounded and he hung around three seasons too long, draining BAR out of the money they needed to be competitive. BAR is the remnants of the great Tyrrell team. They desered better than to be Villeneuve's personal scapegoat.

Negatory. All BAR bought was the Tyrrell 'franchise'. If they'd kept Harvey Postlethwaite and the rest of the Tyrrell team and injected some cash into it they would have been far more sucessful IMHO. As it was Reynard, BAT and Pollock went in with a clean slate, big egos and fell flat on their hairy arses. It is a mystery to me how Jacques lasted so long with the team. It is his reputation that has been destroyed, not the other way round.

RallyRaider · #23 10-10-2003, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by freakray

There is a closer relation to Hill retiring and Villeneuve needing to retire than there is between either of them and Mika's retirement.

Mika will at least be remembered for being at the top right up to his retirement, neither Villeneuve(with his impending retirement) nor Hill can be said to have retired at the high end of their career.

Hill was just there for the money at the end. A great shame but understandable when one considers that he was driving under his original testing contract during his glory days at Williams.

RallyRaider · #24 10-10-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sexy beast

But Hakkinen and Hill didn't retire for the same reasons Jaques needs to. JV got spoiled from early success.

If that is the case why did Jacques spend so long at BAR? Surely he'd have spat the dummy long ago if he was 'spoilt' for more sucess? I certinally don't understand his priorities. If he was trying to build a team around himself that must have finished years ago when Pollock was kicked out and Reynard went bust. How the hell can BAR hope to improve with David Richards in charge? He has been doing his best to spoil each of the many pies he's had his fingers in lately.

RallyRaider · #25 10-10-2003, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

True, Hakkinen left of his own accord (and to make way for a new young team member) and Hill was getting old.

Still, I stand by my stating he needs to shut up. His father is one of the incomparable greats. There's no telling what Gilles could've accomplished for Ferrari in the 126C2 if not for his demise. Gilles was Il Commendatore's favorite. His death was the triggering element in Ferrari's decline into the non-competitive rut that, while producing excellent cars (Dr. Harvey Postlethwaite stands in my memory as one of the best aerodynamicists of the 80's) driven by truly great drivers (Michele Alboreto, Nigel Mansell, Willy Mairesse), did not produce results.

Jacques is not Gilles, as much as he believes that. I'm glad Richards has done this. Especially considering I believe Sato has the technical merit to bring much needed points to BAR.

Willy Mairesse and Nigel Mansell? Now they are not names one normaly associates with Harvey Postlethwaite and turbo Ferraris! In fact poor Willy even didn't make it to the seventies.

RallyRaider · #26 10-10-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sexy beast

Yeah, Hill was driving with a real casual attitude at the end, but I remember an article back in 96 where Hill said he was planning to retire around 2000, he had pressure from his wife.
Hakkinen I felt retired because he was was fed up with F1, not the driving, but the atmosphere and the fans, especially the Tiffosi. He walked out pretty high, but I would have rather seen him continue racing in a Minardi than to never see him again. Well at least they didn't retire for the same reasons as Nigel "Stay Puff" Mansell.

Layla's Keeper's right, JV should just shup up and be a man.

Mika retired to do some real driving - at the wheel of a WRC on the snow and ice!

RallyRaider · #27 10-10-2003, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ales

What a silly thing to say! Mika's contract expired the day Erja tore it up

He didn't look motivated at all by the end of the 2001 season after McLaren failed to give him a car that was worth him at the beginning of the year. Fed up with the tifosi ... I'd say Mika was the one that the tifosi liked and respected the most out of the rivals and still do.

Car failures while leading on the last lap and fancy electonics that leave one stalled on the startline will do that to a person. Mika was first and foremost a Lotus driver, pure class on and off the race track.

RallyRaider · #28 10-10-2003, 08:08 AM

Sorry to turn this thread into a monologue. I've finished my little bought of post whoring for now...

crayzayjay · #29 10-11-2003, 10:24 AM

No problem, the forum's for airing our views, its good to see it being used for that purpose.

Just wanted to ask you why you feel the way you do about D Richards. BAR's a stronger team that last year, arent they?

RallyRaider · #30 10-11-2003, 10:56 AM

Richards is the owner of the Prodrive team that run Subarus in the WRC, made many dubious calls in that capacity. He is also trying to do a 'Bernie' and screw over WRC to make himself as much cash as possible. A smart businessman I guess, but that is it, could just as easily be flogging insurance or whitegoods as running a racing team.
Are BAR really doing better? Hard to tell in the cloud of smoke eminating from the latest grenaded Honda.

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