Ford Trucks SUCK

[Henry Ford]

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL


Just like American companies keep going overseas to find cheaper labor to make better cars right?

I would like for you to come to me with facts on why now Ford has had so many recalls. Not your opinion, facts. Documentation. If you can't even produce that, why bother even arguing or defending something you know nothing about.

OK, Then Bottom line where does the money from the outsourcing GO?
Does it go to the FORD based plant in Nagasaki!!! No! It goes into the AMERICAN ECONOMY!!

[DVSNCYNIKL]

Originally posted by Henry Ford

OK, Then Bottom line where does the money from the outsourcing GO?
Does it go to the FORD based plant in Nagasaki!!! No! It goes into the AMERICAN ECONOMY!!

But you're still avoiding the issue of the quality of cars which was the whole point of this thread to begin with. When you say the outsourcing money goes, exactly how much of this money actually goes to the economy? Are you able to provide me with figures instead of opinion? And if this money were to go to the American economy, why is it that we are still paying the same amount of money for american cars made in plants outside the US when we know that they are being made cheaper. Surely you can't justify the prices of cars made overseas with cars made within the US. The fact is that, the cars are made cheaper overseas and thus, Automakers charge the same premiums on those cars as if they were made in the US and do not give the consumer the benefits of that little decrease in price.

[LiuBei]

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL



But you're still avoiding the issue of the quality of cars which was the whole point of this thread to begin with. When you say the outsourcing money goes, exactly how much of this money actually goes to the economy? Are you able to provide me with figures instead of opinion? And if this money were to go to the American economy, why is it that we are still paying the same amount of money for american cars made in plants outside the US when we know that they are being made cheaper. Surely you can't justify the prices of cars made overseas with cars made within the US. The fact is that, the cars are made cheaper overseas and thus, Automakers charge the same premiums on those cars as if they were made in the US and do not give the consumer the benefits of that little decrease in price.

I don't think anyone has an arguement that can go against the facts that have been stated. You need some rock solid evidence to even make a case. Otherwise the Judge would just through out of the courtroom. Case and point, FORD SUCKS

[Henry Ford]

Ill get right on the phone to Ford Motor Company and see how much money goes to the Good Ole U.S of A.. Maybe when I get those stats we can compare it to the amount of money that your Import Companies they put into the US economy..

As for quality.. I love em and wont buy any other manufacturer.. To each his own.. I like to keep money in the US.. Not ship it over seas!
Do what you want to do.


As for Liubei: Ford SUCKS... Care to bring it on the track? Cause your right..

MY FORD WILL SUCK........ YOUR FRONT WINDOW OUT AS I BLOW BY YOU!!
:finger:

Nice chattin with you boys...

Sincerely,
Henry Ford X
CEO

[LiuBei]

Hey Henry, I think you have one of those "selective reading" problems. That goes for all you others that challenged the facts in this thread, HOORAH

Der, I can't seem to hear your comments.

[MOJO]

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL
MOJO: He's got you there!

What do you have to back up your comments?

Dont have time to look up the reports online. The majority of crashes are side impact, where Ford ranks near the top in testing. Those vehicles that were rated at the top on frontal impact crashes, ranked near the bottom on side impact crashes.

Im not going to take the time to look this stuff up for everyone to read. If someone wants to look intelligent and trash a manufacturer, they need to get all the information before making a statement off something they saw on the internet.

[LiuBei]

Originally posted by MOJO


Dont have time to look up the reports online. The majority of crashes are side impact, where Ford ranks near the top in testing. Those vehicles that were rated at the top on frontal impact crashes, ranked near the bottom on side impact crashes.

Im not going to take the time to look this stuff up for everyone to read. If someone wants to look intelligent and trash a manufacturer, they need to get all the information before making a statement off something they saw on the internet.

Well how did you find your info that proves that they are good for side impact rating? Oh, you probably used the internet. That's hypocritical, come now play by own rules. No one has yet to find any info that proves their arguements against my statements. Now MOJO, go out and find some good evidence to support your statement, and follow your rules you set. You cannot use the internet, when you find the propaganda just mail it to me so I can verify.

Is that better? Does that suit your tastes?

[blacksnake98]

Website cited below: www.edmunds.com

Ford Crash Test Rating
Last updated: 2001-12-13


[Ford Crown Victoria] [Ford Econoline] [Ford Escape] [Ford Escort ZX2] [Ford Expedition] [Ford Explorer] [Ford Focus] [Ford F-150] [Ford Mustang] [Ford Ranger] [FordTaurus] [Ford Windstar]



Ford Crown Victoria (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Excellent
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Excellent
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Good
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Good
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Not Tested
IIHS Offset Not Tested
IIHS Bumper Bash Not Tested

Ford Econoline (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Good
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Good
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Poor
IIHS Offset Not Tested
IIHS Bumper Bash Not Tested

Ford Escape (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Excellent (4WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Good (4WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Excellent (4WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Excellent (4WD)
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Average
IIHS Offset Marginal
IIHS Bumper Bash Acceptable

Ford Escort ZX2 (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Not Tested
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Very Poor
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Good
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Not Tested
IIHS Offset Not Tested
IIHS Bumper Bash Not Tested

Ford Expedition (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Excellent (4WD); Good (2WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Excellent (4WD); Good (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Poor
IIHS Offset Not Tested
IIHS Bumper Bash Not Tested

Ford Explorer (2001)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Good (4WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Good (4WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Excellent (4WD w & w/o side airbags)
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Excellent (4WD)
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Poor
IIHS Offset Acceptable
IIHS Bumper Bash Poor

Ford Explorer (2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Not Tested
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Average (4WD); Poor (2WD)
IIHS Offset Good
IIHS Bumper Bash Poor

Ford Focus (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Excellent (Coupe); Good (Sedan)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Excellent (Coupe); Good (Sedan)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Good (Coupe); Average (Sedan)
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Very Poor (Coupe); Good (Sedan)
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Good (Sedan w/ stability control)
IIHS Offset Good
IIHS Bumper Bash Marginal

Ford F-150 Regular Cab Pickup (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Good (2WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Good (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Not Applicable
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Poor (4WD); Average (2WD)
IIHS Offset Poor
IIHS Bumper Bash Poor

Ford F-150 Extended Cab Pickup (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Good (2WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Not Tested
IIHS Offset Poor
IIHS Bumper Bash Poor

Ford F-150 SuperCrew Pickup (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Not Tested
IIHS Offset Poor
IIHS Bumper Bash Poor

[MegaMax]

I'll start with a Fact, I drive a Honda Accord...
Next is an Opinion, If a F-150 and I were to go HEAD on, I'd wish I too was in an F-150.

Ford F-150 SuperCrew Pickup (2001/2002)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Driver Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Frontal Crash Passenger Excellent (2WD)
NHTSA Side Crash Front Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Side Crash Rear Occupant Not Tested
NHTSA Rollover Resistance Not Tested
IIHS Offset Poor
IIHS Bumper Bash Poor

[blacksnake98]

Excellent point MegaMax...

[LiuBei]

Well look at it this way, as far as the IIHS tests, all the vehicles are tested the same way against the same wall, with the same bumper tests. With how mangled the F-150 looked compare to say a 2001 Honda Civic I think I would rather be in a Civic.

BTW, isn't it odd that the NHTSA ratings were soo good but yet they do not show various pictures of the vehicle like IIHS. Kinda makes you wonder. Just like all the proof I've been asking for.

[MegaMax]

Do Reports and Test Replace Common Sense?
I can not and will not argue that Pic (I would not want to have been the one to Hit that Wall at that speed, in a F-150)

The reports do not replace REALITY. The Reality of the world is we have a lot of SUV's and Trucks on the Road. Last time I saw an Accident on the Highway No WALL was involved. Just a DSM and a Blazer. It was NOT that big of an accident the DSM hit the Blazer from behind and the Hood went up about 7 inches and bent at where I assume the Crunch Zone was. A few 100 in damage to say the least. The Guy in the Blazer had a Tow hitch. That was what the DSM hit. I couldn't tell as I drove by but I don't think the Hitch needed to be replaced...

So you can take that CIVIC and drive it everyday but Odds are when someone Hits ya or you hit someone they will not be driving a WALL. For your safety I hope it's not an F-150 that side swipes you..! Have you lined up where that bumper will hit ya? Just a bit below your windshield...!!! I wonder what reports say about F-150 hitting a Glass window what will the picture of that Poor soul look like!!!

You want Proof..! Drive 100 plus miles a day on the highway everyday! I have not seen A WALL Hit anyone YET

Originally posted by LiuBei
vehicles are tested the same way against the same wall,

Just like all the proof I've been asking for.

[LiuBei]

Are you Fucking stupid?

You have gone out of your way to miss every single point I've tried to make. No you will probably not hit a wall, those tests are to show the structural strenght of the vehicle. Not to show what your car would look like if you ran straight into a wall, you fucking idiot. It has been proven that the Ford F-150 has a very weak structure and for example a Honda Civic's is very srong.

I've been asking for proof in that the F-150 has a stong structure and is good in crash tests. There has been no one, NO ONE, to show me anything other than what they read somewhere. No pictures, no nothing. All anyone has given is opinions, and bogus info. Heresay at the most. You can say what you want, bring back whatever, so far there is nothing for your team.

If you are blind tell me

[blacksnake98]

LuiBei, you know, you have a really big mouth. Regarless, you say that our only proof comes from something we have read somewhere. Where did you get your info? Is it not something you have read somewhere? What makes your source so much better than anyone elses? Do you have nothing better to do than to come into the ford forums and run your mouth about anything that rolls off of their assembly line? What are you going to complain about next, the leg room in a Crown Vic? Why do you find it so difficult to understand what Mega is trying to tell you? He has a completely valid point, yet you feel the need to call him a "f*****g idiot"? Man, wake up and smell the coffee. Ford F-150 vs. Honda Civic, hmmmm, lets think about this one. If the civic isn't entirely monster trucked, the driver is going to probably have a blue oval Ford emblem tatooed on their forehead where the F-150 simply drove through it. As far as a Honda having a better crash test rating, who gives a shit. Consider how much lighter the car is, of course its going to test better. Besides, Honda can probably sink some money into making the Civic safer since they obviously don't dump money into creature comforts, performance, big wheels etc. I have rode in plenty of Civics. My fiance drove one up until 2 months ago. She traded it on a 2001 Mustang, thank God. Sure, the gas mileage was nice on road trips, but I felt like I was riding in a go-cart. And in real world experiences when out on the road, chances are if you are going to have an accident, it ain't going to be with a wall, it's going to be with another vehicle. And if there's a chance of that happening, I'd much rather be in something that's got a little ass to it, and that's built Ford tough. One last question...Have you driven a Ford lately?

[blacksnake98]

Double post, my bad.