ARe there any?

[frozen_Joth]

Like you said, IF you're a good driver. People can say they can drive a stick and only think they can, I can control the shifts in my car when I take off. No biggie for me. I have fun and know for a fact that an auto can take a stick so...I Don't Care what you drive, I will race you, If you win, good, if not, good for me. and .2 - .4 seconds with a pro driver in a manual don't mean shit. That doesn't mean the guy next to me can drive like that. Auto Vs. Manual = Manual is just more fun.

[SiZ]

Do you even know what you're talking about?!

Do you know how long the gears are on auto trannys? Do you realize how gearing affects how fast your car accelerates?
You can control the way your car takes off?! How? Pull it all the way down to 1 or something, or put it in neutral and then to drive? C'mon. With 5 speed you can chose to take off in first gear from ANY rpm, from idle to redline. You don't have that option with auto. You can launch even higher with a 5 speed and feather the clutch out a little to just get motorin' off the line. Sure, some people are quite bad at driving manual, but they'd have to be REALLY bad to lose to an auto. Autos are just getting out of 1st gear in the 1/4.

C'mon man. I'm not going to buy that shit. Why? Because I know. I've been there, I've seen it. I've seen guys with a 5 speed Si with good gearing pull on my auto ZC because while I'm waiting for fucking ever for the car to reach redline, his gearing allows him to do so about 2 times before my car even fuckin' shifts.

Autos on Hondas ARE BRUTAL.

[crxlvr]

the jdm auto b16 is an excellent tranny tho, as the gearings arent as tall as a normal autobox, they can be very quick, with a new torque convertor you can shave almost a full second of your et just with that change, not to mention if you turbo an auto, they dont drop boost between shifts like a manual does, they are also much more reliable and wont break down as much. if you race(bracket) you can get consistent times and dial in your et much better than a manual driver can, you can start winning some serious dough.

when my auto b16 is done, you peeps will see what i run, that auto's can compete, and when my car is driving imma get a sticker that says
"You just lost to an Automatic!"

[dirty91crx]

i totaly agree on the turbo/n2o/sc aspect on using a auto and as far as consistancy on et's.....

[optimuscivic]

Originally Posted by crxlvr

the jdm auto b16 is an excellent tranny tho, as the gearings arent as tall as a normal autobox, they can be very quick, with a new torque convertor you can shave almost a full second of your et just with that change, not to mention if you turbo an auto, they dont drop boost between shifts like a manual does, they are also much more reliable and wont break down as much. if you race(bracket) you can get consistent times and dial in your et much better than a manual driver can, you can start winning some serious dough.

when my auto b16 is done, you peeps will see what i run, that auto's can compete, and when my car is driving imma get a sticker that says
"You just lost to an Automatic!"

hey im curious about your choice of using the auto tranny. arent you a certified mechanic or something? also do u think a turbo b16 manual would lose to a turbo b16 auto? also wouldnt a turbo b16 auto setup cost more than a manual setup?

[crxlvr]

Originally Posted by optimuscivic

hey im curious about your choice of using the auto tranny. arent you a certified mechanic or something? also do u think a turbo b16 manual would lose to a turbo b16 auto? also wouldnt a turbo b16 auto setup cost more than a manual setup?

okay choice for the autobox, is 1 i didnt wanna do the conversion to stick, 2 didnt wanna buy a new car that was manual, and 3, very very rarely does my mom need to use my crx for some reason so she wanted an auto, she paid for most of the engine itself as a birthday gift, and she said if i didnt get an auto she wouldnt back the funds for it.

yes im a mechanic, anyway if all things were the same in both setups, stock for stock, id say the manual would win, it depends on the skill of the driver tho, if he can do quick shifts, the loss of boost may not be enough to let the auto driver win, however, with the right torque convertor, the auto-box could prolly win.

the cost of each setup should be about the same aswell.

[SiZ]

You got #s for the gearing of an auto B16 tranny?
My S1 has the most retardedly short 1st and 2nd gear.. The exact same engine in the same car, but different tranny I would put all my money on the 5 speed.

I realize that a lot of cars that pull fast times are auto too.. Automatic racers bring this up often. But what they aren't looking at is that those cars make more than 111lbs-ft @7000rpm. Those cars have torque in the low like 3000rpm range and thats why its okay for them, thats how they get away with it.

With autos you can buy torque converters, with manual you can put lighter flywheels, shorter FDs, more heavy duty clutch..


blah blah blah though.. I don't even know how many times we've talked about this. I want to see REAL NUMBERS put up by auto drivers then I'll maybe start to believe, until then, no. And I'm not just blabbing about shit that I've heard or read, the stuff that I talk about is real 1st hand experience with automatics and standards. No BS here.

[frozen_Joth]

I never said I can control my revs when launching, I said I can control my gears after takeing off. I did say that manual with a GOOD driver can beat an auto. I know first hand that autos arn't as shitty as alot of people think they are. My auto setup should be done within' a month and I will give you my times then. And you just may be surprised with the results. And until then I don't care what you say or anyone else says about autos being shitty...you will have your results soon. ( not getting pissy or trying to make anyone mad or anything either)

[jusg19]

what the hell was this post originally about anyways?

[sackerius]

k so u guys are complaining about whats better, an auto or manual...
well heres what i got to say

- v8 domestics 90% use auto(and in quarter mile racing, i dont car what u guys are gunna say domestics are,per capita, WAY faster than imports)..

- if ur going full out race on a car, honustly, why waste thosands and thosands of dollars on an import?.. i know im gunna flamed bad but i really dont care, go spend all that money on a domestic, ur car will be super phat, and super fast..(now if ur going for handling, i take this comment back.. but handlings not what were talkin bout here)

- have u guys ever heard of bracket racing?.. autos will CRUSH 80% of manuals in brackets... and if ur going out tryin to have the FASTEST sport compact.. gooooddd luuckk.. maybe 5 yrs. ago u would have a shot.. so all i have to say there is, go for bracket racing in a honda, itll save u much dissapointment and be much more fun..

- stick is very fun to drive.. but now ur going off saying ur racing, well, there goes ur clutch, and if u wanna get a racing A.C.T. or any other brand clutch, then good luck with every day driveability... cuz that clutch is gunna SUCK ass drivin all the time..

so my main point?.. (for 1/4 mile racing in an import) if u wanna go have fun, take sum wins, still be quick, and have over all good driveability... just use the auto...

dont get me wrong here.. imports are tha SHEEITT for handling, luv em!.. altho i must admit, ive seen some rank ass domestics too ....

and just so u all do know.. i LOVE 4th gens, and will always stick with em... but id never go full race on one, no point.. meh, if u wanna go fast in a 4 cyl, get a dsm or somethin, they own the track 80% of the time....

hmmm well, let the flames begin, cuz i know tons of u are gunna say shit ... maybe u guys should actually think about what im saying.. ive looked at these points many-a-times.. and theyre my over-al theory (well one of mannnyy)..

peace.. AllSho

[SiZ]

Originally Posted by sackerius

- v8 domestics 90% use auto(and in quarter mile racing, i dont car what u guys are gunna say domestics are,per capita, WAY faster than imports)..

Did I already mention this? What you're not telling is that domestics make so much peak torque at like 3000rpm or even lower, why would they need much shorter gearing? Plus, back then the auto trannys were made for power.. Honda trannys on the other hand are not. Mine was fucked after like less than 6 months. Fucked. I couldn't even give it away.

- if ur going full out race on a car, honustly, why waste thosands and thosands of dollars on an import?.. i know im gunna flamed bad but i really dont care, go spend all that money on a domestic, ur car will be super phat, and super fast..(now if ur going for handling, i take this comment back.. but handlings not what were talkin bout here)

So if handling isn't an issue on a race car why would anyone be driving a Honda? Also maybe some people prefer the way a 2100lbs. car stops so quickly.. And with a little work and some coin you can have one that goes pretty quickly too. A lot of domestics really AREN'T that fast, its just that there are so many painfully slow Hondas out there. Plus the looks of a domestic car obviously don't nessicarily appeal to such Honda drivers. But don't even turn this into an import VS. domestic thread.

- have u guys ever heard of bracket racing?.. autos will CRUSH 80% of manuals in brackets... and if ur going out tryin to have the FASTEST sport compact.. gooooddd luuckk.. maybe 5 yrs. ago u would have a shot.. so all i have to say there is, go for bracket racing in a honda, itll save u much dissapointment and be much more fun..

But what makes braket racing so fun is its two guys racing thier cars that are evenly matched, and its up to the driver to be consistant.. I could never see how it would be fun for the guys at the track with autos running like 17.5s and worse, but still winning at bracket racing. Like, there's no props for that all you have to do is mash the gas.

- stick is very fun to drive.. but now ur going off saying ur racing, well, there goes ur clutch, and if u wanna get a racing A.C.T. or any other brand clutch, then good luck with every day driveability... cuz that clutch is gunna SUCK ass drivin all the time..

Again, Honda is known for making quite good perfomance oriented OEM parts. The ITR clutch for example, can handle 200whp and drive daily just as comfortable as an OE one.. A lot of aftermaket companys make some cluthes that are designed to hold power, but still be pretty easy to dive... Pedal feel is really something that people play out a lot.. Like, its pushing a pedal. Its just another excuse not to drive standard. Obviously if you get like an ACT3 or something super rediculous (wich a lot of people do) then its not going to be such a plesant experience, but thats what you get for buying a clutch for more that they need.

meh, if u wanna go fast in a 4 cyl, get a dsm or somethin, they own the track 80% of the time....

There are other paths, and you can still drive and love your 4th gen.

[frozen_Joth]

Here's a good way to end this Auto Vs. Manual crap.
If you prefer a manual. drive one. If you prefer an auto, drive one. If you prefer neither, then you'll walk. But an auto is just as good as a manual. Period.
My opinion is a manual is more fun but an auto is alright with me and I have beat other manual honda's with my p.o.s. d16a6 auto., so going to a manual is pointless if you have an auto.(Unless you have fun changing gears, I know I do!)


I just read this: over 85% of automatic cars are in america, we are some lazy bastards!

[Setanta]

Originally Posted by Posey88cvic4dr

I have heard that Autos are more dependable for times and and turbos. Pistons don't get damaged as bad. And u can use an Auto in a similar way to a Manual. Just start off in the lower gears and redline then jump up a gear, and so forth. Plus with a stick everytime u change gears u drop speed for a sec and have to pick back up. nothing major but can determine the outcome of times/races.

Oh, and i live in Gastonia and Banner Elk(near Boone)

Just FYI

ROFL - funniest post since the Swedish CAI thread.

I'm sorry, but you shouldn't believe everything you hear

Looking at all you arguments - explain why Honda only released the EF8/EF9 as a manual then

Pistons - I have 250,060km on my odometer and am still running the original gearbox and B16A. I truly don't understand how the GEARBOX affects the PISTONS.

Auto on times - line up 2 Civics that are mirrors - I can pretty much guarentee that someone who is flat shifting a manual will smoke an auto every time. ALLMTR ran a 12.8 in a '84 Civic NA using a manual over here.

I suggest maybe you go get some knowledge to go with your hearsay

[optimuscivic]

Originally Posted by sackerius

- stick is very fun to drive.. but now ur going off saying ur racing, well, there goes ur clutch, and if u wanna get a racing A.C.T. or any other brand clutch, then good luck with every day driveability... cuz that clutch is gunna SUCK ass drivin all the time..

hmmm well, let the flames begin, cuz i know tons of u are gunna say shit ... maybe u guys should actually think about what im saying.. ive looked at these points many-a-times.. and theyre my over-al theory (well one of mannnyy)..

i wonder if you can even drive a manual, becuz its really not that hard with a stage 1 or 2, or annoying as an auto. i guess i should respect all the big time d15/d16 auto racers out there, 17 second cars watch out hes got an automatic and hes so reliable. look if your into making your autos faster thats fine. but i bet you drive a d series auto and you have all these "theorys" about racing. but lets see what you run. and i will guarantee you that a manual car with the exact same set up as you will be quicker. i just hate when ppl can be so ignorant about something they dont even know. if you think the only advatage to driving a manual would be that its funner . then i guess you really dont know about hondas.

[frozen_Joth]

Like I said before, you will have your results soon.