Suspension Question for P11

[Dprotech]

Hey guys,
I don't know what you guys find wrong with the eibach pro kit. I've had them for 8 months now on my P11 and they are sweet. The ride is a little stiffer but not harsh. Car corners really really well both with stock 15 and on 215/40/17s. Zig Zagging rocks with very little body roll. Stock shocks seems to be holding out well. Car looks agressive and 1.2 and 1.5 in the front is plenty drop.
I'll post pics so you can see...tomorrow

[b-b00gie]

i just wanted something that gave you a little more of a drop... my rule is: wheel gap should be half the size of your tires sidewall height, heh

through my long quest though, i think i have found the difference between a lowering kit, and a performance suspension setup. which is what i find the koni/gc combo to be.

[Nismoboy1]

ni55andriven -

Yep, thats the correct price for the NA setup, its around 1000 or so. I've found someone that quoted me even cheaper than that but I forgot who, it was someone on the ClubSI.com boards I think, oops did I say that lol I've heard the GAB's are very stiff even on the lowest setting, but still very good shocks. The Tein's are 16 way externally adjustable, they have adjustable spring perches in 10mm increments, and they have a 30mm shorter case, basically if you lower your car around 30mm(approx.~1.2in) using Tein's struts, you still retain stock suspension travel! You can lower the Tein setup I think to 2.25in max. in the front. The only negative thing about Tein is that if your struts are blown or whatever, their is a long wait cause you have to send them back overseas to get it serviced.

So...from what I've researched for a fully adjustable suspension on a budget, I'd prolly get the Tein NA's or Koni Yellow's w/ Ground Controls' both for around 1000 or less. But since I don't plan on adjusting anything, I think I'm gonna get struts alone or struts with lowering springs? Like I said, If the Bilsteins have adjustable spring perches in the front and back, I think I'll just go for those alone w/o springs. But it seems that nobody's used these before, so I might just have to be the guinea pig

[Nismoboy1]

I don't see anything wrong with the Eibach Pro-kit's either, cause that was what I was looking to get, everyone that I've spoke to about these springs love them. Plus you got Eibach quality to back it up. The only downfall for some people is that it's not low enough for some, but the first rule of thumb I go with is never go lower than 2" for a performance set-up. Note when I say "performance". and the second is always install aftermarket springs with aftermarket struts b/c your stock struts will eventually blow, its the inevitable. Stock shocks are not made to handle stiffer aftermarket springs, they were made to handle your stock springs. So get aftermarket shocks or at least plan to get them. Cruising around with blown struts is VERY dangerous!!!

hey ni55andriven -

I forgot to mention that the Tein NA's only have adjustable perches versus the Ground Control's having a threaded collar. So the GC's will have A little more adjustability height-wise. But the Tein's still have more adjustability in the dampening department vs the Koni's internally adjustable dampers. So it all depends on what you want...your call

Sorry for my novel...but I got more if you wanna know :licker:

[Nismoboy1]

Notice how much I've learned since I've started this thread

[ni55andriven]

So, is there any clear advantage between the adjustable perch for the Tein set and the threaded sleeve of the Ground control set besides the lower drop for the G.C.'s? Are the Tein's 8 way adj. for both front and rear? Does anyone know or have experienced riding on them? I would like to obtain a ride quality closest to stock with eliminating the wheel gap. Would either setup last longer than the other, considering normal driving conditions? I do plan on getting camber plates so my tires dont wear unevenly. Anyone know how much the Stillen ones are or are the other ones out there? Im tired of bouncing around on the streets and freeways!!

-For the person who asked me where I got my intake: I ordered it from NOPI (www.nopionline.com). I checked and there is no intake for the 2000 G20. Im pretty sure Stillen and Jim Wolf Technology have filters. I think it would only replace the box filter, though. Mine replaces the box filter and the rubber tubing that goes to the throttle body with a polished one. They have the same effect anyway.

[b-b00gie]

I dont know much about the Tein setup, as I dont know anyone personally who owns that setup, so I havent gotten to test drive it. Out of all the setups I've gotten to drive (Intrax on stock struts, Eibach on stock struts, Intrax on KYB, Intrax on GAB, Eibach on GAB, Ground Control on Koni) I favor the GC/Koni setup as it's not harsh or bouncy, and has the most adjustability (adjustable damping and ride height).

I also personally like my GC/Koni combo because when i set my car up at shows, I can lower the springs even more to have the car appear even more aggressive. With the Tein suspension this would prove a lot more difficult. The ride height must be selected before you load the spring onto it and mount it.

I am not knocking the Tein suspension at all. I can only speak from my experience. I have heard though that the Tein suspension is very good though. But with the Tein you have a finite level of 10mm increments to raise or lower the car, while with the GC's the increments are what ever you little heart desires.

To get a proper suspension combo i would definately suggest the Tein or the GC/Koni setup i described earlier. If you want the most height options, or would like to vary them easily i would recommend the GC/Koni. If you dont want to have the option to easily vary the height, then go with the Tein as both the struts and springs were specifically designed in conjuction with each other to fit and work with the car.

lastly, about the camber plate issue... i dont have any, nor do i plan on getting them. i've had my gc's/koni's for about 8 months now riding on 225/40/18's and there is no un-even wear.... AT ALL. my rubber is toyo proxes and i've been pretty impressed w/ the fact that i drive so much and have very little wear at all.

time for lunch... =)

[Nismoboy1]

hmm let's see...the pros and cons of each setup...

TEIN NA:
PROS:

-16 way "externally" adjustable dampening front and back. You adjust it at the top of the shaft, exposed in the engine bay and in the trunk, i think.

-30mm shorter case for added suspension travel. Harder to bottom out.

-Progressive spring rates for better ride quality

-Adjustable Spring Perches can be a pro or con
*Pro: it'll adjust exactly where you would like it within its specs
Example: if you want it lowered it say exactly 1.8in or whatever just snap the C-ring into correct perch on all the struts and that's it versus threading, droping, and measuring until you get it right with the GC's.
*Con: Won't go as low as the GC's, not as precise.

CONS:

You gotta send it back overseas if it needs service.

No personal preference of spring rates. Just soft or Medium.

and the adjustable perches, like I said, it can be a pro and con.


KONI(YELLOWS)/GROUND CONTROL:
PROS:

-Service departments are here in the states

-Personal preference of spring rates offered by GC(Eibach ERS Springs)

-Threaded Collar for height-adjustablility, can be a pro and con
*pro: If you want your ideal height you can have it, slammed for show, raised for go. Easier to corner-weight.
*con: Hard to get right the first time, and it'll never be right all the time, say if you want it 1.8 all around it can be 1.7 one corner but can your eyes tell the difference, needs alignment everytime you drop or raise it.

CONS:

Less dampening adjustability, i think its like 4 way "internal" (KONI)versus 16 way "external"(TEIN-NA)

Stock casing, meaning less travel than the TEIN's would have at any given height

Linear spring from the GC's can give it a little harshness on the road.

So...anything else??? :frog:

p.s. I may be wrong on some of this info. So correct me if I am.

[ni55andriven]

I was unaware that Ground Control coilovers could be fitted to Koni shocks. The shop I usually go to said that G.C. can only be fitted to GAB shocks. I also saw several G.C. lists and they, too, list GAB only. Did you send your Koni's up to G.C. to have the collar made? How much are the Koni's for the P11? So, was the G.C./Koni setup under $1K?

[b-b00gie]

yes, they do indeed exist. you or someone at your local shop can even call ground control and verify. just tell them you need g20 adjustable coilovers for koni struts. besides myself i know 2 other people personally who are riding the same setup.

i had stated the prices earlier w/ the part numbers, but again.. the gc's go for $450 to $500 since they must also make you a new upper strut mount. the koni's will cost you $450 to $500 also, although i have seen places rape customers and charge up to $650 for a set of koni's.

i'm looking at my reciept and i paid $842 because i got the parts @ cost from my local shop.

if you're wondering... before markup the gc's are $420 (!!!) and the p11 front koni's were $108 each, while the 95-98 maxima rear koni's were $103 each.

[b-b00gie]

one last thing... whoever told you that gc's only work with GAB's must be outta thier mind, lol. out of all the people i can think of that i know, who own gc's, not ONE has GAB's.

ground control will make the coilovers to fit either tokicko, gab, koni, or bilstiens... just call them... trust me!

[ni55andriven]

Ok, I think ill try out the Koni/G.C. set up..sounds great for around 900. So, the P11 front ones and the Maxima rear ones are Koni Sport? Are they both yellow?

[b-b00gie]

yep.. they are both koni sports aka "yellow"

write this down lol...

Koni Front Struts for Nissan Primera P11, Koni part # 8040-1127S
Koni Rear Struts for 95-98 Maxima, Koni part # 8040-1242S
Ground Control Coilovers for 99-00 G20 for Koni struts

give that list exactly to your local shop and that's all you'll need.

let me know how it goes...

[PrimeraGT]

On my 99 G20 I am using Ground Control coilovers with Koni adjustable struts, Primera fronts(non-US version) and Maxima rears with no modification necessary. It rides better than the lowering spring set-up I had before.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by Kenny-G
Hey Cplessl thanks for your info. Toronto sounds a little to far for me. I think I will call the people in Vancouver BC and give them a try. AND JASON DOESN'T WANT US TO ASK HIM WHERE DID HE GET THE NA KIT.....

Me? I got my TIEN NA from a company in Vancouver, BC called AJ Racing. www.aj-racing.com.

That should make you happy. :P