97+ GTP vs. 5.0L Mustang

[ChaosStarter]

Originally Posted by GTP Racer

97+ GTP vs. 5.0L Stang... hmm.. no competition for GTP, ud think a 5.0 would win, well ur wrong. Ive raced 10 5.0's and have won everysingle time, except for 1 time, when it was a 89' saleen SSC, haha, i dont know y i raced him, i put up a good fight tho.. A 5.0L gets a GTP off the line almost everytime, because most of them r 5spd's.. and GTP is auto. But when u have the performance shifting on, you have no problem flying right past them... stock 5.0L has 225hp, mine has 240 stock... but with my Pulley Boys 3.75 pulley, and my Magnuson Nose Drive i have no problem with any 5.0L or Supercoupe. To tell the truth a car that puts up more of a fight is the 96' Taurus SHO, and 00' SVT Contour.. for some reason every car i race is either a 5.0 or a supercoupe, so if u ever go to a line wit one, dont worry ull winif u go pontiac...

Please tell me that the 3.75 part was a typo. Stock size is 3.8" and if you really do have just a 3.75, it's not doing SHIT. The Mag. nose drive doesn't help gain anything either.

You remind me of some newer SRT-4 owners that think their cars are Ferrari's or something. "I can beat this, this, and that, and I've never lost to a blah blah blah." Just remember, there is always someone faster, and when it comes to a GTP, unless SERIOUSLY modified, there's a lot more people faster.

[GTPJeff]

I'm the new owner of a 2002 GTP... I also own an 87 Mustang GT that I bought brand new..

The Mustang, totally stock" would run 14.6's at 94 mph.. Does that sound like something a GTP can handle ?? After I mod'd my Mustang with a Kenne-Bell twin screw Whipplecharger, Edelbrock aluminum big valve heads, and a host of other go fast goodies.. It would run 11.6's at 120 mph on drag radials.. It dyno'd at the rear wheels, 400 rwhp at 5200 rpms.. And 486 ft lbs of rwtq at 2600 rpms.. It is a serious "torque monster" that takes very few prisoners on the street..

Unless you've put the pedal to over 500 lbs of torque, you really are guessing about how that feels.. My GTP is quick.. But my Mustang is awesome..Or was awesome.. I sold the whole supercharged 302 out of it.. I'm replacing it with a turbocharged 383 ci that should make close to 750 hp.. Now "THAT'S" gonna be fun ...

It's probably nice having a modified GTP that can beat a stock Mustang.. But be warned.. There are Mustangs rolling the street with blowers "PLUS" nitrous oxide.. I know, cause my friend has one..

[GTPgirl]

Originally Posted by Stang4.6

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.

First of all, not all GTP's have four doors. One of my friends has a '97 GTP coupe. Secondly, there are some of us who know what our cars can do, and we DO race sports cars. Fully stock, I've outran my share of Camaros, Mustangs, and Firebirds. I don't know if the people driving were scared of the power they were pushing or what, but I have done it. I've mentioned before that I have no problem keeping up with my best friend's '92 Camaro RS, 305 V8. I could have passed him if we hadn't run out of straight road. I've even had a Trans Am owner, after I mentioned that I liked his car, tell me that if he were me, he'd keep the GTP. His car was modded, he drags it at our local track.

I think a lot of sports car drivers just don't want to admit that a four door car might actually have the power to outrun something that's supposed to be a speed machine.

[Ripn12s]

Why the hell did someone bring back this thread. It was a stupid thread when it was first written and still is.

After I mod'd my Mustang with a Kenne-Bell twin screw Whipplecharger, Edelbrock aluminum big valve heads, and a host of other go fast goodies.. It would run 11.6's at 120 mph on drag radials

For god sakes I hope so. Also its been proven that if you put a KB or any other SC besides roots in a GP and a

host of other go fast goodies.

that the same times can be reached.

There is no answer to this debate. There will always be someone faster.

Tim

[GTPJeff]

Originally Posted by Ripn12s

Why the hell did someone bring back this thread. It was a stupid thread when it was first written and still is.



For god sakes I hope so. Also its been proven that if you put a KB or any other SC besides roots in a GP and a that the same times can be reached.

If you really think it's so stupid... Why are you even bothering to answer ...

And when I said a host of other go fast goodies, I ment stuff like exhaust, ignition, and a centerforce clutch.. My short block was stock..My cam was stock.. My intake was stock.. As a matter of fact, when my car was all completely stock..With "4" catalitic converters and 2.73 gears, and just the blower pushing 8 lbs of boost.. It ran 12.9's at 108 on stock Goodyear Gatorbacks..

If you think you can put simular mods on a GP and run with a Mustang with simular mods.. I'm hear to tell you it's no friggen way, NO WAY.. And this is coming from a guy that loves Grand Prix's.. Has owned 3 of them..

If the picture post below, this is how my Mustang looked under the hood when it ran 11's..It was fully equipped and passed emissions.. And it's foolish to try to be the "fastest"...Everyone knows that.. The reason I want to go faster is because I rode in a friends street Mustang that runs 10.4's at 133.. And it made my car feel slow ..

[Ripn12s]

You never were specific on "host of go fast goodies"


Good job on the Mustangs and good luck with the GP.

Like I said before, there is no answer to this debate (Mustang vs. GP) . There will always be someone faster.

[GTPpower]

I've got a '97 GTP that is all stock. My friend has a '93 mustang gt that is also stock, except he has a cold air intake. I don't know what brand it is, but he says it adds 15 hp. Can I beat him?

[carnutcass]

Originally Posted by GTPpower

I've got a '97 GTP that is all stock. My friend has a '93 mustang gt that is also stock, except he has a cold air intake. I don't know what brand it is, but he says it adds 15 hp. Can I beat him?

Only one way to find out........line 'em up.

[GTPJeff]

Originally Posted by Ripn12s

Good job on the Mustangs and good luck with the GP.

Thanks man..But I real think I'm going to need the most luck on the Mustang.. I'm going to be running a programable, stand alone, engine management unit.. With low impedence 83 lb per hr injectors..

That's going to be "swimming in uncharted waters" for me ..

[GTP_alltheway]

Originally Posted by Stang4.6

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.

Heh, take a look at 94 GTP coupe and tell me that they're driven by housewives. Personally, I think that that body style has the most attitude, next to the Trans Am's, out of any Pontiac model/year. I love the sleek look of them, hell I even love the corny little hood vents

Being in MT, I don't really get a whole lot of racing done, as there's not really anyone to race. I'll run into a Stang every once in awhile, beat one, lose to another, makes no difference. The only modding I care to get done is maybe a cool air intake sometime down the line that clubgt suggests. Other than that, it's the most comfortable and reliable ride I've ever owned (even at 125000) and it still turns alot of heads.

[ChaosStarter]

Originally Posted by GTPJeff

After I mod'd my Mustang with a Kenne-Bell twin screw Whipplecharger...

Just for correction. Kenne Bell twin-screw blowers, are NOT Whipplechargers. Whipples are made by a totally different company. Although they are the same type of twin-screw blower, they are different companies that both have different results.

I'm 98% sure of this, please correct me if I'm wrong...

[GTPJeff]

Originally Posted by ChaosStarter

Just for correction. Kenne Bell twin-screw blowers, are NOT Whipplechargers. Whipples are made by a totally different company. Although they are the same type of twin-screw blower, they are different companies that both have different results.

I'm 98% sure of this, please correct me if I'm wrong...

You are "technically" correct.. Even though when I bought my screw blower from Kenne-bell in 1995.. They were called Whipples, but I think they later changed sources.. Here is a bit of history, that you may or may not know..

Alf Lysholm invented the twin screw blower.. They still own the rights to the design.. Whipple Industries imports Lysholm superchargers.. A company called Autorotor currently builds superchargers for Kenne-Bell under license of Lysholm... Or something like that ...

[ChaosStarter]

ah ok. I gotcha. Thanks for the clearup!

[Sexy beast]

That Mustang is gonna rape you and you GTP to death. The Mustang is hung like a horse, you are no match for it. The Mustang will never lose!

[CHUCK DIESEL]

The thing is if you have a GTP supercharged against a stock 5.0 up to the year 2002 the GTP is always faster from 0-60 because of the supercharged V6. I have said that I beat a 2003 Mach 1 stock to stock and the reason I think is that I got 280lbs of supercharged torque and the Mach 1 has like 330 lbs of V8 torque. Unless you are dealing with a mustang with a supercharger such as a cobra or looking as a 100+ lb of torque difference the GTP will win. With the Tapshift in my GTP comp G and heads up display, I got a good 2 seconds on almost any stick driver because I got no clutch and my speed right at eye level. It takes most guys/girls a good 1/2 to 1 second to shift a mustand where they are not on the gas, they are playing catch up when racing a GTP.

Now I love mustangs, but they are 2 simple on the inside and not good here in colorado. Also you can jump a mustangs hp up by 150 with a few tweeks, way easier (with more after market parts for the GT) than a GTP.

But long story short its all about distance and what gear you are in, from 0-70, 1st to high 2nd/low 3rd the GTP will win. Now from 95 to 130mph the GTP will loose and thats where the raw power of the mustang (stock) comes in.