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[GOD]

Damn thats a sweet car ! If it were a little bit ....sharper not as round and the top speed was up to the 160s ...even thought i dont think i would drive that fast i probably shit a brick in my pants .....i would get it I love the quickness of that car and how its so light . Brett i see what you were telling me tonite about this car .

[LakeMountLude]

are those jetta's fast? a kid at my school has one and talks a lot of junk!

[flylwsi]

as long as it is a vr6... they are fukkin quick...
i drove a 97 gti new on the lot, and it was sick how much power they had...
they are around the same weight as a lude, but the motor is a 6, so they have more torque. it is also only a 2 valve per cyl design, which gives more torque vs our complex layouts...
it is a fast car though, there are tons of people that were in sho that agreed that it could kill a civic si, and some that believe that it is a fair straight line match for a lude... as for corners though... not nearly as good...

[LakeMountLude]

what are the hp specs weight etc... oh yeah and one more thing.. do you know ho wmuch a 4th gen lude weighs?

[SolReaver]

Two word "weight difference"

[flylwsi]

vr6 is 2.8l motor w/ 176hp... similar torque number...
more torque than us
they weigh around 3k...
weight diff doesnt matter.
power to weight ratio does.
end of story.
i dont care if you weigh 300 lbs. if you only have 30 hp
and you race a car that is 3k w/300hp, it will be even.
but torque is important also... that changes the game a bit, ya know?

[LakeMountLude]

yeah i know that is why i need the weight of the prelude (4th gen) and the weight of the jetta.. anyone have the specs?

[flylwsi]

if it was an mk3 jetta... not the new one... they were 3198 or so with the vr6...
that is half for ya...

[LakeMountLude]

whats the weight of the 4th gen lude?

[flylwsi]

i only know so much!!!

i think it is most likely similar...
http://www.hondaprelude.com/resource.../usdmspecs.asp

if this site is monitored, it is on h o n d a prelude... go to resources, then 4gen, then usdm specs...
the vtec is 2932, the si is 2866
vtec power is 190, si is 160
to me the big deal is the tq, which is 158 and 156... whereas the vr6 has similar tq and hp... much closer... ya know?

power to weight of vtec is 15.4 lbs per hp,
si is 17.9
and tq is 18.55 and 18.37
whereas the jetta has
18.9 lbs per hp and 18.27 lbs per tq
the numbers are at the least similar, but it depends on where the power is at... that makes the diff... the vr6 has lower tq, and the prelude is higher on both...
helpin?

[VTECelude]

check the registration ticket in your wallet, doesn't it tell you how much your cars weighs.

[flylwsi]

hey... i reworked the numbers... the jetta was only 3198 (per scc in 97...i have it, honest), as opposed to 3290 that i was using... so that makes it
3198lbs/174hp= 18.379 lbs/hp
and
3198/181lb ft tq= 17.6685 lbs/ft lb tq
that makes it more feasible to be beaten by the jetta... and that isnt a bad thing.
remember though, it has to be a stick glx vr6. top o the line automobile there, all the bells and whistles.
so that is what you are lookin at.

[LakeMountLude]

aight.. thanx for the help man... i still think i can beat one tho hehe.. i guess it just depends on the driver and the mods.. but thanx!

[flylwsi]

just tryin to make the numbers known...
everyone thinks that their car is the shit ya know?
it isnt so unbeatable once you know the numbers... not like you cant beat one, but it wont be an easy romp... so you have to be good... thats all
just make sure your mods match somewhat, but remember that the same mods on a six get a bit more than a four...

the best way to tell would be to switch cars after, and race again

[LakeMountLude]

yeah.. i understand what you were saying.. thanx for the posts too! really helpful.. my car weighs bout 100 lbs lighter now.. i got rid of a lot of stuff... just getting rid of the spare tire helps .. yeah those pesky v-6's are a pain for us i-4's.. oh well..