Forget the Rb's...

[TatII]

whats wrong with a I6? i would take an I6 over a V6 anyday. the nature of any I6 is that is delievers good torque. thats why all I6's are soo torquey. such as the any BMW I6, the supra's 2jz-gte, and even the RB25-26 motors. even though the stroke of that motor is tiny compared to its bore, the motor will still make very good torque. its all in the nature of the way the pistons pushes down on the crank compared to a V6. and another point. what would you rather have? a VQ35DE that makes 287 hp with around 279 ftlb of torque but the engine dies out on the highend of the motor and the motor cna over rev to 6.5K? or a highreving, high torque I6 making atleast 280hp and 280 ft lb of torque that can rev to 8K? i'll pick the I6 anyday.

[ThaLegend]

Originally posted by TatII
whats wrong with a I6? i would take an I6 over a V6 anyday. the nature of any I6 is that is delievers good torque. thats why all I6's are soo torquey. such as the any BMW I6, the supra's 2jz-gte, and even the RB25-26 motors. even though the stroke of that motor is tiny compared to its bore, the motor will still make very good torque. its all in the nature of the way the pistons pushes down on the crank compared to a V6. and another point. what would you rather have? a VQ35DE that makes 287 hp with around 279 ftlb of torque but the engine dies out on the highend of the motor and the motor cna over rev to 6.5K? or a highreving, high torque I6 making atleast 280hp and 280 ft lb of torque that can rev to 8K? i'll pick the I6 anyday.

If inline is so great... why do the more exotic cars such as... Ferrari, Italdesign, Lamborghini, etc... not use Inline engines??? Ill tell you its becaues Torque isn't everything... Unless your dragging all damn day which I doubt you are. It all depends on what kind of setup you want or just personal preference.

[klohiq]

Originally posted by TatII
whats wrong with a I6? i would take an I6 over a V6 anyday. the nature of any I6 is that is delievers good torque. thats why all I6's are soo torquey. such as the any BMW I6, the supra's 2jz-gte, and even the RB25-26 motors. even though the stroke of that motor is tiny compared to its bore, the motor will still make very good torque. its all in the nature of the way the pistons pushes down on the crank compared to a V6. and another point. what would you rather have? a VQ35DE that makes 287 hp with around 279 ftlb of torque but the engine dies out on the highend of the motor and the motor cna over rev to 6.5K? or a highreving, high torque I6 making atleast 280hp and 280 ft lb of torque that can rev to 8K? i'll pick the I6 anyday.

Exactly....there is no point to do this unless you have huge amounts of money to burn and don't care that the end result will have less potential than an easier and cheaper RB swap. Even in stock form the Inline beats the V6 and then think if you have large amounts of cash you could probly get an RB26DETT and keep the twins and still possibly pay less.

If you want high hp numbers than get an RB26...they can make 1000+hp fairly easily (costly still mind you) and reliably. I think the highest HP numbers I've seen for the VQ is like 650-700 maybe.

And anyone who says RB is just for drag racing...I have confidence that an RB is much better suited for track use and drifting than a VQ...I may be wrong, but if the VQ is such a better engine then why didn't they use it on their high priced luxury/sports car (depending on trim) GTR?

[ThaLegend]

Originally posted by klohiq


Exactly....there is no point to do this unless you have huge amounts of money to burn and don't care that the end result will have less potential than an easier and cheaper RB swap. Even in stock form the Inline beats the V6 and then think if you have large amounts of cash you could probly get an RB26DETT and keep the twins and still possibly pay less.

If you want high hp numbers than get an RB26...they can make 1000+hp fairly easily (costly still mind you) and reliably. I think the highest HP numbers I've seen for the VQ is like 650-700 maybe.

And anyone who says RB is just for drag racing...I have confidence that an RB is much better suited for track use and drifting than a VQ...I may be wrong, but if the VQ is such a better engine then why didn't they use it on their high priced luxury/sports car (depending on trim) GTR?

First of all the engine is new Second of all they do use the engine, In JGTC they swapped out the "RB" and replaced them with the VQ so they obviously have some Potential...

[R.W.240]

Nissan is using the VQ in JGTC because the RB isnt in a production car anymore

I thought inlines were known for smooth power delivery and Vs were known for torque?

kloiq they didnt use it in the in th GTRs (at least not yet) because its brand spankin new its already in the base skyline and if the rumors are true a OE turbo one is going to be in the R35 I

think a 600 HP VQ in would be faster than a 600 HP RB granted the VQ would Cost a hell of a lot more and im pretty sure the VQ will be capible of 1000 Hp eventually, the RB has had a good ten years under its belt while the VQ is fairly new

lambo and the other Exotics use V engines because a inline 8-10 or a 5 liter I6 isnt a good idea.

i dont think anyone here doubts the RB in any way (i sure as hell dont) but i think the VQ will be a better preformer once it gets some years on it (I cant wait to see the Turbo version)

[ThaLegend]

Originally posted by R.W.240
Nissan is using the VQ in JGTC because it no longer makes the RB

I thought inlines were known for smooth power delivery and Vs were known for torque?

kloiq they didnt use it in the in th GTRs (at least not yet) because its brand spankin new its already in the base skyline and if the rumors are true a OE turbo one is going to be in the R35 I

think a 600 HP VQ in would be faster than a 600 HP RB granted the VQ would Cost a hell of a lot more and im pretty sure the VQ will be capible of 1000 Hp eventually, the RB has had a good ten years under its belt while the VQ is fairly new

lambo and the other Exotics use V engines because a inline 8-10 or a 5 liter I6 isnt a good idea.

i dont think anyone here doubts the RB in any way (i sure as hell dont) but i think the VQ will be a better preformer once it gets some years on it (I cant wait to see the Turbo version)

Couldn't have said it any better myself

[klohiq]

I mixed up the VQ with VG (I think? Z32 engine right?). Anyhow I was mostly comparing the two for cost since if it takes 20k more to install, then the RB has a great advantage by being able to use that money for mods while the VQ is stuck at stock hp unless someone is going to pour even more money into the car which for the same price the RB gets even more so now 25-30k for mods while the VQ is at 5-10k. More support for the RB too since it's been used for so long.

Aren't inline blocks also known for being a lot more durable compared to Vs?

[VQuick]

People, people, people...

Get your VQ facts straight, first of all. There is not a production VQ35DETT in existence. VQs are far from new. They made their first production appearance in the 1995 Maxima.

The VQ would be better for track driving than the RB because first of all, it weighs much less. The VQ30DE weighed only 108lbs at launch. That's less than many 4-bangers on the market, let alone an RB. What you might lose in power(which of you here is really going to boost an RB up to 1,000hp?), you could make up for in power-to-weight.

The VQ would also be shorter, freeing up underhood space for a bigger radiator(or intercooler), and promoting better weight balance. Because the VQ is so short, the JGTC R34s effectively became 'front-midship' cars when they used the motor. Drivers reported that handling had vastly improved.

While there is not a production VQ35DETT, there are two other turbo VQs available in Japan. There are the VQ25DET and VQ30DET, which are both rated at '276hp.' Since the 3L version is used in the Cedric/Gloria twins, and they give up very little(if any) performance to their US counterpart, the 345hp V8-powered Infiniti M45, the VQ30DET should be making well over 300hp.

On top of that, I have seen VQ30DETs available for as low as $995 in the States. Get a VQ35DE-powered Pathfinder tranny(should bolt right up). Provided the block will fit in a 240SX's engine bay(don't see why not, since a VG30E fits), you'll be good to go. What was that about costing more than an RB?

If you don't feel like getting the JDM turbo motor, just get the VQ35DE and tranny from a wrecked Pathfinder. They've been spotted on car-parts.com sometimes.

The VQ30DET has 9:1 pistons for forced induction duty, compared to the 10:1 in the VQ30DE Maximas. Still, many Maxima owners have gone for forced induction on stock internals. Two owners are up to about 430fwhp right now, one with a Stillen blower(can't remember psi) and nitrous(35-shot for drag), the other with a turbo kit(~12.5 psi). They'll get even higher with time.

If the money saved from a VQ swap(versus an RB) were used on stronger internals, who knows how much power you could get out of it. All the while, you'll still end up with a better balanced car.

[nightwalker]

Ok, here's a piece of advice. Instead of posting "I'm GOING to do this kind of swap" or "I'm going to do this, what do you guys think?" Just go ahead and do it, and then take pictures and show us later. That way there is no big flame war. Unless you're looking to start one, then why not ask about putting an S2000 motor in your 240.

--> This is just an adative to this post.... I remember when Hondas were young in the import scene. Anyone remember when the civic hatch Si first came out in 92? Anyone remember the first pioneered motor swap? It seems that back then, people just did their swaps without asking a lot of bull questions. Where did this sense of racer/pioneer spirit go? If its been done before, ask how to do it. If it hasn't been done before and you want to do it, then just do it, and let us know how great it is, that way you'll be praised, not hated.

[badicalradical]

dont bag on inlines, they rock! the v's are hard to do beacause theyre so wide, throw in turbos and youll have a fun time squeezing that one in. but if you gonna do it do it. id go with an rb anyday. 56 out of 56 is not bad at all in my book. i dont recall the vq doiung that, do any of you ? didnt think so

[ThaLegend]

Originally posted by badicalradical
dont bag on inlines, they rock! the v's are hard to do beacause theyre so wide, throw in turbos and youll have a fun time squeezing that one in. but if you gonna do it do it. id go with an rb anyday. 56 out of 56 is not bad at all in my book. i dont recall the vq doiung that, do any of you ? didnt think so

Im sick of you AF coming in here telling me what I should, and thinking that I am "bashing" the RB... Well im not I have alot of respect for the RB I was simply saying if I am to swap another engine besides the SR!!! That it would be the VQ so read the shit, and stop posting STUPID SHIT!!! DAMN

[NismoFreakS14]

1000 Hp in a RB26DETT isn't as easy as you'd think.

There is alot of block reinforcement you need to perform in order to go over the 800 hp mark. Ask Mario in OZ about block designs, and you'll see why the N1 RB blocks are sought after so much.

[klohiq]

Originally posted by ThaLegend
Im sick of you AF coming in here telling me what I should, and thinking that I am "bashing" the RB... Well im not I have alot of respect for the RB I was simply saying if I am to swap another engine besides the SR!!! That it would be the VQ so read the shit, and stop posting STUPID SHIT!!! DAMN

newbie lol...look at both your post count and the date you registered...you're a noob too

if you wanted it purely a discussion about the benefits of vq over the rb then maybe you shouldn't have made the thread title so lame...don't kid anyone here...you are saying the vq is better and you are saying "forget the rb" just like the title says...people who like the rb block take it personally and with good reason you made it personal rather than "forget all the other swaps I'm going with a VQ"

As night said...if you really want anyone to listen to you then do the swap...until it's been done everyone can only estimate the cost and benefits of the swap. We already have enough engine swap questions and flame wars...

[ThaLegend]

Originally posted by klohiq


newbie lol...look at both your post count and the date you registered...you're a noob too

if you wanted it purely a discussion about the benefits of vq over the rb then maybe you shouldn't have made the thread title so lame...don't kid anyone here...you are saying the vq is better and you are saying "forget the rb" just like the title says...people who like the rb block take it personally and with good reason you made it personal rather than "forget all the other swaps I'm going with a VQ"

As night said...if you really want anyone to listen to you then do the swap...until it's been done everyone can only estimate the cost and benefits of the swap. We already have enough engine swap questions and flame wars...

Mofo I wasn't talkin about the date any of you Flaming NEWBS registered, nor was I talking about how many "post" SO STFU! You see its a dumbass like you, to why I wrote that post earlier... the one you "Quoted" and also I put that title there because I fucking wanted to put that title up there so who are you to tell me what to fucking do you? "Dont kid anyone" FUCK YOU! how dare you come in here and disrespect me I said nothing to you Klohiq... If you read earlier I said I like RB just would not do the FUCKING SWAP DAMN READ MAN... OR DONT SAY SHIT AT ALL... oh and by the way you dont even have a fucking 240sx so get the fuck out of here! You know what everything was fine until you came in here and said some stupid shit man...

[240-kid]