Thumbnails just aren't good enough...

[Peloton25]

quoting schmoting

"Their" website is the website that thumbnail came from...

I know you found it on Google by searching images using "mclarenxp4"

That brings up two images. So I took the URL of the thumbnail and broke it down - stripping out the info that Google applies to it, leaving this as the URL:

http://www.milleracing.com/atrace/im...LarenXP4-1.jpg

I noticed that image was still active on that server.

The "T" in the file name implies that it's a thumbnail - a lot of people tag their files that way - so I tried taking that out:

http://www.milleracing.com/atrace/im...LarenXP4-1.jpg

Don't click that - it won't work...

Then I proceeded to strip the URL back trying to get a list of files or something else to load...

www.milleracing.com/atrace/images/

www.milleracing.com/atrace/

And eventually, I tried this:

www.milleracing.com/

That URL worked and I got to "their" site.

When the page loaded, I clicked on "Photos". That brings up a list of all the three years they have race photos from - 2001, 2002, & 2003.

I figured I would start at the bottom, as I know that the other photo is kind of old. I also know that car is located in the Bay Area, so I made an educated guess that the picture would have come from a race track in that region.

I started with Sears Point, as I know that XP4 has been seen there before. That turned out to be wrong.

Then I switched to Laguna Seca - and halfway down the page, you will find the thumbnails for those two photos.

I clicked on the one you were looking for and found the large image.

Incidentally, the file name of the large version simply relpaced the "T" with an "L":

http://www.milleracing.com/atrace/im...LarenXP4-1.jpg

And that, my friend, is how you find those 'hard to find' McLaren F1 images...

>8^)
ER

[Stratoraptor]

anyone have these?

[Stratoraptor]

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[mini magic]

Originally posted by Stratoraptor
anyone have these?

you have no idea how long i have been looking for a different angle of the car taken at the photoshoot in the 1st one, the angle from the side is on the driving ambition poster and on mclaren's website, please someone tell me they have a bigger version

[Peloton25]

I don't think I've ever seen the first one you're looking for. It's hard to tell if that shot is of Kennedy's McLaren taken from the recent Road&Track article or if that is the last McLaren F1 road car taken at the time the "Driving Ambition" poster was shot. I'll figure it out though, and might be able to find a better version of the photo for you. I know that I would like to have one.

Help me out though - can you tell me where you found that thumbnail??

The second one I am certain I have in a larger size, but even the original isn't terribly big unfortunately. I'll hook it up a little later.

>8^)
ER

[mini magic]

Originally posted by Peloton25
I don't think I've ever seen the first one you're looking for. It's hard to tell if that shot is of Kennedy's McLaren taken from the recent Road&Track article or if that is the last McLaren F1 road car taken at the time the "Driving Ambition" poster was shot.
>8^)
ER

i'm sure it is the photo shoot that is on the driving ambition poster, the plane is VERY similar, even colors. i'm sure it is

[Peloton25]

Yeah - I don't have the poster handy to compare unfortunately...

Personally, I hate the shot used for the poster - it's boring in my opinion. I know they were going for a theme there, but I think this shot would have made for a much more appealing poster of the car than that one. If I was actually going to hang the poster on the wall, it would go photo side in and I'd just stare and the chassis history and race history all the time.

>8^)
ER

[Peloton25]

Originally posted by Peloton25
The second one I am certain I have in a larger size, but even the original isn't terribly big unfortunately. I'll hook it up a little later.

The original that I had was kind of dingy, so I even took the time to clean it up a bit.

>8^)
ER

Here you go...

[mini magic]

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[drewwtms]

Originally posted by Peloton25



I'm not sure which race team had it on display - but it appears there was a Grand Am race there that day.

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ER

I think that is Tom Gloy Racing. They raced the Qvale Mangusta in the Trans Am series for a year or two right around that time with Tommy Bahama sponsorship. I remember seeing a blue F1 a few years ago parked under their tent (can't remember which track though).

[Peloton25]

mini_magic - sorry, can't help you. Looks like it would be a great shot of #09R if someone had it at a higher resolution.

drew - thanks for the extra info - I haven't been able to find any other pics using that info, but I'll keep trying.

= = = = =

Now, on to some more thumbnails.

There happens to be a website called www.carpix-photo.com that sells photos online. You can either buy a monthly membership to download photos, or pay for each individual photo that you want. Sounds cool enough, but their prices are a bit ridiculous.

For high res photos (approx 2400x1600) the monthly membership fee is £300.00. For medium res photos (approx 640x480) they want £150.00 per month for access. Now, like I said - you can buy the individual photos you want, but again the prices are rather high. If you have no plans for commercial use of the image it's $35.00. That wouldn't be so bad in my mind if they were printing the photo for you, but they aren't, that's just the price for the image file. OUCH!! If you actually plan to publish the image, then the price goes up to $100, or $200 depending on planned circulation. There is no license for web use of the images btw, except if you plan to use them at a resolution smaller than 320x240 and include the carpix.net copyright line with each one.

These are the McLaren photos they offer @ 2400x1600 for $35 a piece:



I have the 1st one @ 480x318, the 2nd one @ 640x372 (cropped) & this 3rd one @ 450x238



I have the 4th one @ 420x237, the 5th one @ 400x299, and have never seen the 6th

They also have another site where they offer even higher resolution photos called CarPix Ultra - www.carpix2.com The resolution on these photos would be better for printing a poster - but the prices per image are even higher - again not printed for you, just the image file!!


Size: 54.2Mb (5400 x 3507pixels) RGB @ 300dpi - minimum price $125

I have that one @ 480x286


Size: 49.2Mb (5400 x 3183pixels) RGB @ 300dpi - minimum price $100


Size: 51.4Mb (5400 x 3325pixels) RGB @ 300dpi - minimum price $125


Size: 43.4Mb (4950 x 3061pixels) RGB @ 300dpi - minimum price $125


Size: 48.6Mb (4950 x 3432pixels) RGB @ 300dpi - minimum price $125


Size: 51.5Mb (5250 x 3427pixels) RGB @ 300dpi - minimum price $125

One of the other things that bothers me about this site is that they have not only photoshopped out the license plates and put their little "CARPIX.net" logo on them, but they have also removed the "XP5" logo on the shots where it would be seen. Why???

I understand that the photographer deserves some money if you plan to use these photos and I think that is certainly fair. Their pricing structure seems a bit high to me though, and I can't believe that they don't offer prints. There are other sites out there with professional car photos like these that will sell you a print for the same money or less even. What are they thinking?? I mean how many publications are even going to want to pay those prices for images of a car that is over 10yrs old. The only articles you see now on the McLaren are basically new ones using a customer's car for fresh photos - unless a magazine like CAR does something like the F1 sidebar on the Enzo article they wrote. In that case, I'm certain they're just pulling the images from their own internal archive and maybe paying some royalty to their own photographer who originally took them.

Anyway - if you happen to have a larger version than I do of any of these photos that I have, or more importantly any of the ones I don't have please feel free to share it. If you can't tell from my post - I'm not planning on becoming a carpix.net customer anytime soon....

>8^)
ER

[Peloton25]

Here's another page of 17 thumbnails that are available for purchase:


Click the photo

They are all shots from the 1997 FIA GT race at Laguna Seca.

The prices are a little more resonable - and you can get a print, not just an image file. It's $15 for an 8x10 print up to $50 for a 16x20.

Just thought some of you might be interested.

>8^)
ER

[mini magic]

i have a few of those, scanned out of DA, i'll post later

[Peloton25]

Originally posted by mini magic
i have a few of those, scanned out of DA, i'll post later

Ok, we've got you trained on the Editing thing - now how do we teach you that you don't have to quote the longest posts I make??

Seriously - if your reply comes right after the post you are responding to, you don't even need to quote anything at all. Also, rather than quoting the entire post, you could just quote a sentence or two. Like this would have been sufficient:

Originally posted by Peloton25
Anyway - if you happen to have a larger version than I do of any of these photos that I have, or more importantly any of the ones I don't have please feel free to share it.

That's all you really need to do.

>8^)
ER

[tvrfreak]

mini magic,
please go back and edit that post so it only has your text. You have written one line, and quoted about 200!
Thanks,
Faisal.