Acura 3.2 CL Type-S Vs Nissan Altima SE V-6

[F20C]

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Why do you keep bringing up the Accord? I think I will stop responding to this discussion after this, for the sake of preserving the original comparison.

About the Altima unexpectedly receiving a huge upsizing in dimensions and power: Don't forget, Nissan wasn't just pumping up the car for the heck of it. It was done to fill the Maxima's role, being a far better competitor against the Camry and Accord with available 4 and 6 cylinder engines.

About the Camry and its lack of improved power: Execs stated that the Camry's V-6 was left unchanged, not because it couldn't be done, but because it didn't need improvement. The 4-banger cash-cow did, and so the necessary R&D time and money were spent there, NOT on the V-6.

What I was saying about the next Accord: You can't always expect a car to be 'bigger and better' each year. That's all I'm stating, especially with reference to the logic of the new Camry V-6.

Anyways, the whole world already knows the Accord is a great, powerful car. That's why it sells so well. We can drop that now. But getting back on topic, the Altima is a weak opponent for the CL type-S by the numbers, and probably by experience as well--all the numbers, except price. I will say it one last time. The Altima is not in the same class as the CL type-S, and should NOT be compared. It would be obviously, ridiculously unfair. The base Altima 3.5 SE costs around $22,349. The base CL type-S costs around $30,860. BUT--even costing nearly $10K less, the Altima manages to keep up with the CL in straight line performance. That's what I was talking about earlier. That's what's amazing about the 3.5 SE.

You said Accord and Camry's sales couldn't be touch by the best of what Nissan offer. Which isn't true because Altima was never what Accord and Camry was until now.

Camry's case is different because they appeal to much older age group. They don't need a 240hp family sedan. 75% of Accord's sales come from 4 banger. However it doesn't mean Honda won't make V6 more competitive. You can't take Toyota's logic and apply it to Honda.

The next Accord is better but not bigger. Honda plan on keeping the same size on the outside however with improvement made to maximized the interior through better packaging.

Straightline speed is nothing. If people want straightline speed they look for American cars.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by F20C
Altima and CL Type S both can do low 6's.

i really.... then how come car and driver, profesional drivers only get a 0-60mph of 7.3s
they were saying how it doesn't seem like it has all that power

[JBL85]

Poor CL will take it up the dual tailpips =(

Its all good I love nissan, 1/4 is low 14's for the Nissan

and acura is 14.8

[F20C]

Originally posted by gang$tarr


i really.... then how come car and driver, profesional drivers only get a 0-60mph of 7.3s
they were saying how it doesn't seem like it has all that power

That could be many things. I am still keen to see how much hp Altima 3.5SE actually puts onto the ground.

[F20C]

CL-S have done mid 14's too with Auto.

[Morpheus XIII]

Originally posted by F20C

You said Accord and Camry's sales couldn't be touch by the best of what Nissan offer. Which isn't true because Altima was never what Accord and Camry was until now.

Camry's case is different because they appeal to much older age group. They don't need a 240hp family sedan. 75% of Accord's sales come from 4 banger. However it doesn't mean Honda won't make V6 more competitive. You can't take Toyota's logic and apply it to Honda.

The next Accord is better but not bigger. Honda plan on keeping the same size on the outside however with improvement made to maximized the interior through better packaging.

Straightline speed is nothing. If people want straightline speed they look for American cars.

I was referring to the sales numbers of the Accord and Camry in comparison to the Maxima, their former competitor from Nissan.

About the same percentage (80%, I believe) applies to the Camry 4 banger deal, almost like the Accord. What's your point? You CAN take Toyota's logic and apply it to Honda. Not all the time, but it's a fairly predictable game. The Accord has chased the Camry for years on end, and what happened? A pattern has formed. The Accord pushed to sell more V-6s after seeing how Camry sold some. The Accord increased in size after seeing how much more room the Camry received. The Camry is always on the sales front, with the Accord always at its heels.

By the way, 'bigger and better' was a figurative statement, which is why it was placed between scores.

For my remark about the Altima's comparable straightline speed with the CL, I don't think you were getting my point. I never stated that the Altima was something that should be chosen over a CL because raw power rules all. I simply stated that a far less expensive car seems to be able to produce as much power as another car, in another league, and that is commendable.

[GOD]

0-60 6.4
1/4 14.8

[F20C]

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII


I was referring to the sales numbers of the Accord and Camry in comparison to the Maxima, their former competitor from Nissan.

About the same percentage (80%, I believe) applies to the Camry 4 banger deal, almost like the Accord. What's your point? You CAN take Toyota's logic and apply it to Honda. Not all the time, but it's a fairly predictable game. The Accord has chased the Camry for years on end, and what happened? A pattern has formed. The Accord pushed to sell more V-6s after seeing how Camry sold some. The Accord increased in size after seeing how much more room the Camry received. The Camry is always on the sales front, with the Accord always at its heels.

By the way, 'bigger and better' was a figurative statement, which is why it was placed between scores.

For my remark about the Altima's comparable straightline speed with the CL, I don't think you were getting my point. I never stated that the Altima was something that should be chosen over a CL because raw power rules all. I simply stated that a far less expensive car seems to be able to produce as much power as another car, in another league, and that is commendable.

Now we are talking about Maxima? I need to clarify one point then. Maxima have always outsold Accord V6 and Camry V6. Originally Altima was used to compete with Accord and Camry I4. Maxima was used to compare with V6 models. However Altima didn't proved to be much of a competitor becuase it was smaller etc.

Logic doesn't apply at all. Toyota has gone a family route. Whereas Honda hasn't with the Accord yet. Camry have that bloated Suspension and Accord doesn't. Have you driven them back to back? They are world's different IMHO. Accord is the sales leader for last year. Basically what I have been saying here is Honda is more focus on the sports side of the game because their age group is much lower than Toyota's.

Power should not be the sole judgement of cars. Let me show an example here. NSX-T produces 290hp for 90K. F360 Modena produces 400hp for 180K. Do you think Ferrari is overpriced for giving only 110 more hp? Even though both are built with Aluminum along with mid engine design.

[gang$tarr]

Originally posted by JBL85
Poor CL will take it up the dual tailpips =(

Its all good I love nissan, 1/4 is low 14's for the Nissan

i wanna see where you got that info... i'm not sayin you're wrong, i just wanna see

cause if professional car and driver drivers got 7.3s for 0-60 that's not impressive at all and the CL does 0-60mph in 6.4
that's almost a second faster... that's a HELL of alot

that's like the difference between a corvette C5 and a lamborghini diablo

[JBL85]

Read in this forumn if you dont believe it, go to altima.

Dont worry if its smoking a CL it has less horsepower and a big motor...and its nissan, so naturally it smokes things...

Road and Track cant drive, thast why their times suck sometimes

[gang$tarr]

I believe car and driver....

[F20C]

Are you guys talking about CL-S or CL?

[JBL85]

Type S

[F20C]

Cause you guys were only stating CL before.

[JBL85]

Whoops, the Comparison if of a CL, I guess no one cared to add the type S