Justifiable Murder. - Page 2

2strokebloke · #16 06-26-2003, 03:42 PM

I understand what you're saying but I don't think it'd be proper to shoot somebody for "attempting" to steal something.
And by break in, I mean "break" in - I've had stuff stolen before when I accidently left my garage open - but I believe that is more my fault than it is theirs (and they didn't take anything of any real value - just stuff I'd have sold for $1 at a garage sale anyway)
Of course, you could always buy a "tresspassers will be shot" sign - there's alot out here where I live.

Ace$nyper · #17 06-27-2003, 02:40 PM

True no reason to blast some one if not needed yea being robbed must suck but if i walked in my house or woke up and someones in there i don't know i got every right to do whats needed if shooting him is needed i would hope its not needed but it might be. When you pull a gun you get one of 4 things either they freeze attack you listin to your orders (hopfully to lie down while you dial 911 and keep an eye on him) or a combo of them. if he freezes you can call the cops too if he attacks you you have to protect your self. Its sad we need to have a debate about this cause its a shame that people would steal threaten or hurt each other but thats the world for you.

tazdev · #18 06-28-2003, 04:22 AM

Justifiable murder I say no.

if it is justifiable then it is not murder it becomes justifiable homocide

Steel · #19 06-28-2003, 06:50 PM

eh. semantics. I couldn't think of the word "homocide" at the time.

zebrathree · #20 06-30-2003, 07:48 AM

I dont think you can come to a "I will shoot anybody whos in my house" conclusion. There are a huge amount of variables.

How do you know the intruder is going to rob you? You dont. He could just be burgling the place. Call the cops first, they ARE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH OFFENDERS.

If you are really that paranoid about someone breaking in in the middle of the night, invest in a good alarm with a panic button. Buy pepper spray or a baton (but make sure you know how to use it first). A ASP would do nicely for the home. Dont buy a PR24, thats overkill. So to speak.

You will very rarely get away with shooting someone, although it depends on what they are doing at time. Self Defense laws. I really really dont want to go into S48 in this post.

YogsVR4 · #21 06-30-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by zebrathree
How do you know the intruder is going to rob you? You dont. He could just be burgling the place. Call the cops first, they ARE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH OFFENDERS.

Incorrect! If someone is in my house, they have violated my space. The cops will never respond in time. Cops never stop crime, they only clean up afterwards. Does that mean that they should be killed? Depends. I will have my .45 I will say DON'T FUCKING MOVE ASSHOLE OR I'LL BLOW YOU'RE FUCKING HEAD OFF!! Should the fucker make any kind of move, I will blow his fucking head off. Then I'll call the cops to come and get the asshole.

I will not allow someone to "burglerize" my place under any circumstance.

Steel · #22 06-30-2003, 08:20 PM

Yeah... so i can wait for 20 minutes while the cops stop by dunkin donuts first so they are nice and full before they come to my aid. Dun think so. And if i use a baton, how do i know that guy isn;t better than me at that? I know he can't dodge bullets. House alarms are overrated. Hell even I can pick my way into houses.

zebrathree · #23 07-03-2003, 01:35 AM

I hope you two have a nice time in prision.

YogsVR4 · #24 07-03-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by zebrathree
I hope you two have a nice time in prision.

If O.J. can kill because he's pissed off and cops can shoot someone carying a toy gun then, we'll have no problems at all.

Ace$nyper · #25 07-03-2003, 11:02 AM

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If O.J. can kill because he's pissed off

But the glove didn't fit lol.

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we'll have no problems at all.

True at the time the Self defence laws are gaining power a while ago it was horrid to think you could protect your self belonings and family i mean how dare you

I remeber a robber sueing a family cause he tripped over a skateboard in the house he was robbing made over 100k

him.

TexasF355F1 · #26 07-03-2003, 10:43 PM

I totally agree that if someones breaks into your house you have the right to shoot and kill them. In Texas this is legal, it even includes if you catch someone breaking into your car. As long as you shoot them while their in your car/house you have the right. And all the people who bitch b/c you pumped a whole clip in to their punk ass would probably think differently if they felt their life or property could be taken from them. And those who do steal, I have no pitty for and wish them all the most horrifying death they can die.

thrasher · #27 07-04-2003, 09:06 PM

i think that once a person has crossed over into the realms of being a felon, they chose to forfeit their rights for personal safety. if you choose to break into a house, you don't have the right to sue them for injuring you, that's bullshit, it was your fault in the first place. f*ck rights for criminals (at least before they are in the slammer), if a stranger was in my house, i would not hesitate to inflict harm on them...this doesn't mean kill them, just incapacitate them. in my mind, whatever it takes to assure my safety is what needs to be done, they broke into my damn house!!!

carnut · #28 07-05-2003, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by zebrathree
How do you know the intruder is going to rob you? You dont. He could just be burgling the place. Call the cops first, they ARE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH OFFENDERS.

If you are really that paranoid about someone breaking in in the middle of the night, invest in a good alarm with a panic button. Buy pepper spray or a baton (but make sure you know how to use it first). A ASP would do nicely for the home. Dont buy a PR24, thats overkill. So to speak.

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This topic is quite interesting. Everyone thinks they have the right answer. The reality is, you have to make a split second decision in similar circumstances. Any hesitation on your part could result in harm or worse to you and your loved ones. You really have to be "in fear of your own life" to use lethal responses. Calling the cops is really the best thing to do, but you may not have the time. I called the cops when someone broke into my garage, alarm went off, dog was barking her head off and the arrived in a few minutes and asked me if I went out to investigate, what are they kidding? A person on dope will not be affected by any spray, hell there are cases of doped up robbers being shot by a 38 special and just kept on running. With police resources so low, I depend on my ownself to protect my loved ones.

Ace$nyper · #29 07-06-2003, 02:14 AM

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A person on dope will not be affected by any spray, hell there are cases of doped up robbers being shot by a 38 special and just kept on running

yea and most cops (around here anyway) carry 9mms they tear through you doesn't faze a crack head i've been told by a cop i know who found out first hand. As nice as it would be to hit a robber with pepper spay or some non leathal way they just don't really have the stopping power a .45 SN does. I hope it never happenes to anyone but if it i did i won't hold them protecting there own lives on them we as humans have a right to not live in fear.

zebrathree · #30 07-07-2003, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by carnut

A person on dope will not be affected by any spray, hell there are cases of doped up robbers being shot by a 38 special and just kept on running.

I fail to see your link between firearms and OC spray. I dont know the medical reasons behind one not dieing immediatly after being shot, but I believe it has something to do with the increased adrenaline (sp). This is opposed to a spray which clogs up the eyes, nose and can cause loss of balance. Therefore incapacitating the offender.

Granted it doesnt work on everyone, but its better than killing someone. Isnt it?

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