GSR or LS?

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by whtteg
I have also heard that on a gsr you have to have adj cam gears b/c the valve overlap is too much and you lose some boost out the exhaust valve. I myself don't know this to be true or false but I have heard it a few times. I have also heard that the stock B18B1 cams are great for turbo apps vs the B18C1's cams. But I myself don't know that to be 100% accurate.

For the most part thats true. An easy camswap on a B18B1 will yield 30 HP on a turbo car with non-aggressive cams. VTEC is good for all-motor apps, that why people who drag don't use it.

[98gsr619]

go with a GSr!! ls/vtec is not reliable

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by 98gsr619
go with a GSr!! ls/vtec is not reliable

Umm, who ever said to make it a VTEC? Keep the LS head.
Like said before, the GSR cams are not as good for turbo. VTEC is not necessary to go fast!!! Maybe for all-motors, but not for turbo apps.

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally posted by PWMAN


Umm, who ever said to make it a VTEC? Keep the LS head.
Like said before, the GSR cams are not as good for turbo. VTEC is not necessary to go fast!!! Maybe for all-motors, but not for turbo apps.

word...:o

[B16EJ1]

Originally posted by PWMAN


Umm, who ever said to make it a VTEC? Keep the LS head.
Like said before, the GSR cams are not as good for turbo. VTEC is not necessary to go fast!!! Maybe for all-motors, but not for turbo apps.

You're absolutly right..........VTEC or boost is necessary to make an LS fast. j/k

I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally posted by hcivicron95
I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

ok ok...1st off..yes, us "fools" do understand. read wut ppl are saying before u make blind-comments. THEY ARE SAYING THE LS IS BETTER FOR TURBO BECAUSE OF THE LOWER C/R. when did we even say it wasn't? an as for the gsr having too high of c/r to turbo...:hehehe: u really are a newb. u can turbo it, an ppl DO turbo it, u jus CANNOT TURN UP THE BOOST VERY HIGH. im not saying the gsr is better for turbo applications, because i do believe the ls is a much better motor to tune that way.

u want to act like ur some kno all bout cars...well 1st off..b18c1 pushes 170hp from the box, an if ppl w/ b18c's in a hatch can only run 14.5 stock, they need to learn how to drive.

wut all did u have on ur car when u dyno'd 142 to the wheels? more then jus i/h/e cuz if u say that, i'll call bs rite now. so wut all did u have? cuz w/ i/h/e u'd have 150 TO THE CRANK an more like 115-120 to the wheels.

once again, im not saying the b18c is the best motor at all. simply filling in all the mistakes U made in ur post.

one last thing...bro had a b16a4 in his hatch w/ a jrsc, an ooo...wut happened? NOTHING. it all depends on the boost ur running...

so in conclusing all us "fools" understand a LOT better then u...

[IntegRocket32]

if a turboed LS can produce more boost than a turboed GSR, then who would win in a race between the two? and what kind of turbo do you guys recommend?

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


ok ok...1st off..yes, us "fools" do understand. read wut ppl are saying before u make blind-comments. THEY ARE SAYING THE LS IS BETTER FOR TURBO BECAUSE OF THE LOWER C/R. when did we even say it wasn't? an as for the gsr having too high of c/r to turbo...:hehehe: u really are a newb. u can turbo it, an ppl DO turbo it, u jus CANNOT TURN UP THE BOOST VERY HIGH. im not saying the gsr is better for turbo applications, because i do believe the ls is a much better motor to tune that way.

u want to act like ur some kno all bout cars...well 1st off..b18c1 pushes 170hp from the box, an if ppl w/ b18c's in a hatch can only run 14.5 stock, they need to learn how to drive.

wut all did u have on ur car when u dyno'd 142 to the wheels? more then jus i/h/e cuz if u say that, i'll call bs rite now. so wut all did u have? cuz w/ i/h/e u'd have 150 TO THE CRANK an more like 115-120 to the wheels.

once again, im not saying the b18c is the best motor at all. simply filling in all the mistakes U made in ur post.

one last thing...bro had a b16a4 in his hatch w/ a jrsc, an ooo...wut happened? NOTHING. it all depends on the boost ur running...

so in conclusing all us "fools" understand a LOT better then u...

im not calling everyone a fool nor should i call anyone a fool, sorry, so lets get that strait right now, and evidently you didnt read every post in this thread so i suggest you go back and reread, because there are people who are disagreing with some of the things ive mentioned. I did say my car with only i/h/e on a stock Ls motor pushed 142 to the wheels, and if you happend to be in daytona during the tuner bash you would have seen it. So enough about that.. You are however right you may boost a b16 or gsr without messing up anything, but im saying you can boost a ls higher that all. 6-7 psi b16 ....12 psi tops on the ls. all in all people do not understand the strength of the ls motors/trannys. If anyone here is on club-si.com there is a guy on there with a 418 hp civic , he uses an ls tranny just for example. I think its mainly that im getting tired of seeing false statments about the ls motors and what the can and cannot handle.

[whtteg]

Originally posted by IntegRocket32
if a turboed LS can produce more boost than a turboed GSR, then who would win in a race between the two? and what kind of turbo do you guys recommend?

Well if the drivers are equal and both cars are boosting 8psi than the gsr will probably beat the LS but not by much at all. But if you turn the boost to 12psi on the LS which is attainable on stock internals than the LS will beat the GSR.

Oringinally posted by hcivicron95
I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

The GSR can and has been boosted just fine. But to make use of a turbo to the extent you can with an LS then you will have to change a couple of things like Cams, and pistons. Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!

Originally posted by whtteg


The GSR can and has been boosted just fine. But to make use of a turbo to the extent you can with an LS then you will have to change a couple of things like Cams, and pistons. Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!

omg , did i not just say this?? ...where did this come from may i ask...."Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!" ???????????????????? What are you talking about? I didnt say you cant boost a gsr. do you not know how to read before you post yourself? and where did my friend end up in this? the turbo with thier high cr (thier stock pistons) did not hold up to about 10 psi. I was trying to explain why you guys are wrong when it comes to a 9.2.1 cr car handling the power that your high cr b16s cant. Everyone keeps saying you need to swap out pistons in an ls when you really dont , unlike the b16 when you should when going for a higher boost aplication. thats the only point im trying to make.

[whtteg]

Originally posted by hcivicron95


omg , did i not just say this?? ...where did this come from may i ask...."Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!" ???????????????????? What are you talking about? I didnt say you cant boost a gsr. do you not know how to read before you post yourself? and where did my friend end up in this? the turbo with thier high cr (thier stock pistons) did not hold up to about 10 psi. I was trying to explain why you guys are wrong when it comes to a 9.2.1 cr car handling the power that your high cr b16s cant. Everyone keeps saying you need to swap out pistons in an ls when you really dont , unlike the b16 when you should when going for a higher boost aplication. thats the only point im trying to make.

I was typing my reply right before you and yours got posted before mine the one right before my post was not on the screen when I replied, and who do you thunk you are anyway?

Originally posted by hcivicron95
I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

I didnt want to do this but since you all dont read the whole thread before you go sending remarks about what ive wrote then so be it....

90gs- takes a lot of mods for an ls to beat a gs-r, and u have a fair amount of mods yourself..

90gs's post is the reason why i explained how easy it is to make a ls run the same times as a gsr with few mods!

i do agree with wttegs posts answering integra818's previous post and i also agree with pwman he actually knows wtf he is talking about too and with thier conversation on cr's and reliabilty i added the fact that the reason you have to change pistons in the gsr/b16 is because the cr higher than the b18b1/a1 and that is the reason you can saftly boost higher on the ls motor than the others.

main reason like i said for posting this is because over the past month people have been telling me before i go turbo ill need to change my pistons for 9psi because it wont handle it and that 6-7 psi i would be able to handle. im sick of hearing these dumb comments and am just trying to explain why its safer on these motors than the vtec motors.

do you understand know???

the only part of my first post i was wrong about was calling people fools for not knowing this. everything else was thought out and educatedly composed.

[KrNxRaCer00]

but if u read wut we say, we say that u jus need lower compression pistons for the gsr. yes, i said that u should for the ls also, but im talkin if ur going to turn the boost WAY up, an strengthening the internals isn't going to hurt anything.

im sorri, but ur commenting on how much others kno, but all u are doing is repeating everything that we've already said. yes, we kno the ls can take more boost stock vs stock, an its lower c/r makes it so u can run 10-12psi safely compared to the gsr/si.

as for ls's runnin the same times w/ the same mod's as a gsr...uh...nope. guy w/ MORE modifications on his ls an w/ a lil better driver then me, CANNOT beat me. that part of ur arguement is pointless. don't act like the b18b motor's are something else an can put the same hp to the wheels as their stock rating from jus i/h/e. if so, i wanna see dyno results w/ a list of ur mod's on the dyno sheet itself, cuz that is BS. im not bashing on ls's (once again, they ARE better for turbo), but i am saying that w/ simple bolts, they are not equal motors. even ask whtteg. he wishes he had vtec sometimes...he'd be into the 13's already his mod's on a b18c1.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
but if u read wut we say, we say that u jus need lower compression pistons for the gsr. yes, i said that u should for the ls also, but im talkin if ur going to turn the boost WAY up, an strengthening the internals isn't going to hurt anything.

im sorri, but ur commenting on how much others kno, but all u are doing is repeating everything that we've already said. yes, we kno the ls can take more boost stock vs stock, an its lower c/r makes it so u can run 10-12psi safely compared to the gsr/si.

as for ls's runnin the same times w/ the same mod's as a gsr...uh...nope. guy w/ MORE modifications on his ls an w/ a lil better driver then me, CANNOT beat me. that part of ur arguement is pointless. don't act like the b18b motor's are something else an can put the same hp to the wheels as their stock rating from jus i/h/e. if so, i wanna see dyno results w/ a list of ur mod's on the dyno sheet itself, cuz that is BS. im not bashing on ls's (once again, they ARE better for turbo), but i am saying that w/ simple bolts, they are not equal motors. even ask whtteg. he wishes he had vtec sometimes...he'd be into the 13's already his mod's on a b18c1.

why are you still trying to argue? i made my point clear, we can go all day about this and that. Im definatly sure everyone knows you can lower the gsr's or any engines cr by swapping out the pistons. And once again i didnt comment on how much others know I was just stating facts that you have not already said. And my point of the agrument where im trying make a point about the ls and gsr's hp is true, I never said the gsr had any modifications at all, Im just saying its not hard to put mods on a ls and have the same hp figures and track times as the vtec motor stock. You can disagree with me all day and want "dyno" sheets ect. and if i had a scanner id scan it but i dont so get over it and besides the numbers on it were,

Run 1 hp 139.9 tq 118.1
Run 2 hp 142.7 tq 121.6

and yes its the ls with only i/h/e. If your going to come back bashing on what ive said again you will be wasting your time, because there is nothing more to agrue about this thread now had nothing but facts. no bs