Collaboration project competed...(Camaro ´69)

[GvEman]

Looks awesome DukeMan! but it looks so mutch beter irl. awesome work. keep it up!

[will69camaro]

I stand by my statement of "looks more than function." It take more than a high output engine to make a "pro-touring" car. The car has ridiculous wheels and suspension. It seems to me that alot of people are mistaking pro-touring for "dubs" style. There is a difference. The difference to me is the same as the difference between "rice" and a "tuner" car. I'm not putting down your skills in modeling, i think you just rushed the back of the car too much and it leaves alot to be desired from the way the rest of the car looks (especially your engine). The wheels are TOO BIG to be pro-touring. To scale what are those? 24s? Biggest i've seen on an actual "pro-touring" car is 19s, and that was only to clear the 15 inch disc brakes! That cuda is the nicest looking cude i've ever seen but not exactly what i'd call "pro-touring."

William

P.S. Compared to other pro-touring cars i've seen that engine in the cuda puts out hp numbers that are quite low.

[DukeMan]

Originally Posted by will69camaro

I stand by my statement of "looks more than function." It take more than a high output engine to make a "pro-touring" car. The car has ridiculous wheels and suspension. It seems to me that alot of people are mistaking pro-touring for "dubs" style. There is a difference. The difference to me is the same as the difference between "rice" and a "tuner" car. I'm not putting down your skills in modeling, i think you just rushed the back of the car too much and it leaves alot to be desired from the way the rest of the car looks (especially your engine). The wheels are TOO BIG to be pro-touring. To scale what are those? 24s? Biggest i've seen on an actual "pro-touring" car is 19s, and that was only to clear the 15 inch disc brakes! That cuda is the nicest looking cude i've ever seen but not exactly what i'd call "pro-touring."

William

P.S. Compared to other pro-touring cars i've seen that engine in the cuda puts out hp numbers that are quite low.

I agree with you about people mistaking "pro-touring" for riced up rides, that really sucks but it still seems that "pro-touring" can mean different things to diferent people...

[will69camaro]

I wasn't trying to diss your skills, the car looks really good from the front, i just think you might have rushed the back. The paint looks amazing as does the engine likve i've said. I agree pro-touring can be taken many different ways, it's just something i'm passionate about since the car in my sig is my 1:1 car that is getting the "pro-touring" treatment now. Big rims aren't the point of "pro-touring", they're to cover the HUGE brakes, most pro-touring cars have 17s or 18s.

William

[proosen]

I'm still impressed that you pulled of such a nice shine with that poor excuse of a paint, at least for big shiny paint jobs. I like it a lot no matter what, a bit to big wheels for my personal taste but otherwise....looks good enough to eat!

See ya!
Niclas

[will69camaro]

I tried to say my point nicely and clearly in the first post, i had to then further clarify myself, if you have a problem with my posts PM me about it i'd be more than happy to discuss.

William

[eph2]

Great Camaro man!!

[Amazon]

Wasn`t Pro Toring first of all a movement to give these cars ( american 50-70`s)handling and suspension of a modern car while keeping the exterior almost stock?

[99civichic]

Originally Posted by Amazon

Wasn`t Pro Toring first of all a movement to give these cars ( american 50-70`s)handling and suspension of a modern car while keeping the exterior almost stock?

That's the way I understand it. The bigger wheels were only to wrap around the bigger brakes. Pro-touring cars are built to do just that-tour. The owners retrofit modern suspension, brakes, etc, along with newer, more ergonomic seats and interior, air conditioning, etc. to make a car with the looks they grew up with (the pioneers had these cars in high school, with all their power-nothing, low mpg glory) and the creature-comforts we're spoiled with today. They'll have nice, but not extreme, stereos, decent sized wheels,(I've never seen bigger than 19's, and that was a little big IMO) and everything else needed to make a 69 Camaro perform like a 99 Corvette. The engine and paint of this car is dead-on pro-touring, but I think the wheels, exhaust and stereo were a little extreme (TV in the trunk?) Overall, this is a really nice model, better than I've built. Just maybe not as "pro-touring" as was intended.

[S.P.Y.R.O]

Thanks For All Your Replyse And Will69CAMARO Build Your Own Car And Then Talk

[will69camaro]

Originally Posted by S.P.Y.R.O

Thanks For All Your Replyse And Will69CAMARO Build Your Own Car And Then Talk

If you look into my signature I AM building my own car (and it's 1:1 scale). So i can talk all i want about pro-touring since i'm actually out there BUILDING ONE!

William

[S.P.Y.R.O]

This Car Dukeman And I Build Is A Modelcar I Have Build Some Real 1:1 Cars To How Old Are You

[S.P.Y.R.O]

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[Amazon]

Hey boys, cool dowm. We`re only talking about models here. No reason to start yelling <-- this is better

[99civichic]

Originally Posted by S.P.Y.R.O

This Car Dukeman And I Build Is A Modelcar I Have Build Some Real 1:1 Cars To How Old Are You

What exactly is the disagreement here? He complimented your model, and also gave some negative feedback-I thought that sort of thing was okay, and usually expected, in this forum? If the debate is over what Pro-Touring really is, Will's been telling me about it for years now. Not only has he been on the Pro-Touring websites since they went up just about, he actually has a Pro-Touring project car in 1:1 and a model sitting on our shelf. And if you're arguing experience, I've helped to build a few cars myself in 1:1, ranging from a 10-second '99 Mustang Cobra to Will's '69 Camaro, but I don't claim to be a modeling expert or a car expert. So, what does all that really matter? He says its one thing, you think another, agree to disagree and go back to building models. BTW, what does age have to do with anything?

Don't take everything so personally, you're supposed to build for yourself, right? It really is a good looking car. There are things that don't appeal to everyone, but there isn't a model built that does.