Grand Am Off Topic Thread

[xeroinfinity]

Originally Posted by Vipey1337

Still can't install the rear strut bar, no time Plus I have no idea what size (guessing 5/16ths or whatever it is in metric) and the size threading I need to put it on... argh!

Oh so you lost the nuts !?

Those you can pick up at your local auto part store, they should know the size.
If not make them run in and out untill they find the right ones.

[Vipey1337]

Hey guys, I emailed Milzy about the superchargers, and he recommend I buy his turbo kit instead when it's done. Apparently, this is what it comes with (here's his exact email to me):

I'm thinking the kit is going to end up around $4k for a very complete kit
which even comes with fuel injectors, fuel pump, and pcm. There will
probably be a couple options for upgrades, but this will come with a big
bar and plate intercooler, as well as all the other components, and a
Garrett T3/T4 turbo. it's all high-quaity parts and the hot parts all get
ceramic coated. If you need more info on this, let me know.

Mike

WOW!!!! Big freaking turbo for a grand am! I might just have to buy this to watch my transmission fly into pieces... better keep it away from your SE XI, Rensselaer might charge you to rebuild the pavement you send flying behind you

[grfnkl]

Originally Posted by Vipey1337

Hey guys, I emailed Milzy about the superchargers, and he recommend I buy his turbo kit instead when it's done. Apparently, this is what it comes with (here's his exact email to me):


WOW!!!! Big freaking turbo for a grand am! I might just have to buy this to watch my transmission fly into pieces... better keep it away from your SE XI, Rensselaer might charge you to rebuild the pavement you send flying behind you

well you may want your tranny to blow out... I just heard that the G6's 6 speed F40 Trans will fit in with the 3.4L Grand am engine. Yes a 6 speed in a grand am. The only thing is the clutch would have to be custom made. Can you imagine, a turbo (or supercharged) 3.4 Grand Am with a 6 speed?!! that would be sooo SWEET!

[Gir-_-]

Originally Posted by grfnkl

well you may want your tranny to blow out... I just heard that the G6's 6 speed F40 Trans will fit in with the 3.4L Grand am engine. Yes a 6 speed in a grand am. The only thing is the clutch would have to be custom made. Can you imagine, a turbo (or supercharged) 3.4 Grand Am with a 6 speed?!! that would be sooo SWEET!

doesnt surprise me, when you look at the first G6s that came out, the engine design itself is just a redesigned grand am, hopefully with all the flaws taken out lol - Awesome fact to know tho, you'd just have to fashion it up

Im sick with a cold, doing that work in the cold with the coolant must of gotten to me.. hopefully be gone by tomorrow morning...

that'd be a pretty big turbo for a grand am, i'd imagine just swapping with a g6 engine

[Vipey1337]

Yeah...

I have a coolant leak...

and it's the gasket. F@#$

So now I get to decide if I want to try to make the gasket last until the summer when I get the WRX, or get the GA fixed now, or get my engine rebuilt, ported and polished, etc. while the engine is already being taken apart...

what to do?! It was just a matter of time before I had the gasket problem, but hell, my grand am has lasted so friggin long without it, I thought my gasket was invincible

My vote is to have my engine rebuilt... but the problem is... what do I do about the camshaft? Should I buy a new cam with the port and polish work I'll get done? How much more hp will the cam add?

[Gir-_-]

that sucks, sorry to hear

if you were to have it rebuilt with the new MMS stuff, id say do it now if you have the money and you dont need the GA to drive around for a while. Personally I'd go with just stageI stuff if its available and P&P heads and UIM/LIM

till then, Id recommend of course, treating ur GA like a baby till you're ready to get it built or have the gasket replaced.... Also see if you can find the part# of the gaskets that have the metal and such

the cam will open the valves up a great deal, It wouldnt surprise me if quoted from MMS that it'd open it up 25-40HP or something in that range, but with doing that you'll always run into the issue of upgrading other parts of your engine's system. Idk what precaution you would take

[xeroinfinity]

Originally Posted by Vipey1337

WOW!!!! Big freaking turbo for a grand am! I might just have to buy this to watch my transmission fly into pieces... better keep it away from your SE XI, Rensselaer might charge you to rebuild the pavement you send flying behind you

Yeah that's the same size as the super charger blower!
Same as the other turbo kit that was available a year ago price is about the same too.

I think my trans will hold up with another 50-80 HP. But my engine might not. Lol

I see they talk about the G6 trans on the net quite a bit. check this one out...

2008 F40 (MU9)
General Motors Powertrain-Europe F40 six-speed manual car transaxle
2008 Model Year Summary

Carryover Features and Benefits from 2007 model year

DETENT SYSTEM FOR QUICKER AND EASIER SHIFTING
The addition of a ball-and-spring-type detent on the shift sleeve and detents on the shift rail assists the driver in shifting quicker. The detent raises the force required to move the shift lever which prevents excess movement of the shifter by the driver, and reduces the chance of double bump. Tension between the shift sleeve and the shift rail also prevents the sleeve from vibrating while in gear.

GEAR RATIO CHANGES FOR QUICKER ACCELERATION
To adapt the F40 to North American applications and maximize performance, 3rd through 6th gears have been changed to higher-ratio gears starting in 2007 model year. The ratio for 3rd gear is now 1.37:1, and the ratio for 4th gear is no longer an overdrive, with a new ratio of 1.05:1. The 5th gear ratio is 0.85:1 and the 6th gear ratio is 0.71:1.

LOW MAINTENANCE

The MT2/MU9 uses a Castrol Burmah (BOT 0063) manual transmission fluid, and is validated as "fill-for-life". No maintenance is required for normal operation.

OVERVIEW

Originally a design developed for Fiat, Opel and Saab applications, the F40 (MT2) is a GM Powertrain - Europe six-speed manual transaxle built in Russelsheim, Germany. Its first use in a North American application was the Pontiac G6 for the 2006 model year. It is also used in some Saab 9-3 and 9-5 models.

It is a three-axis design, with first, second, fifth, and sixth gears on an output shaft behind and below the input shaft, and third and fourth gears are on an output shaft in front of and above the input shaft. Both output shaft pinions drive a helical gear with a conventional differential. The clutch is mounted on a dual-mass flywheel to dampen vibrations on whichever output shaft is idle depending upon which gear is selected.

The F40 is cast in aluminum, and weighs 124 pounds (see specs). It has been certified for up to 400 Nm of engine torque.

Triple-cone synchronizers are used on 1st and 2nd gears. These synchronizers have three friction surfaces, which increase their ability to transfer the flow of torque more smoothly from one gear to another. Synchronizers act as clutches to speed up or slow down the gearsets that are being shifted to, and greater friction area results in easier shifting for the driver. The 3rd, 4th, and reverse synchronizers are double-cone, while the 5th and 6th gear synchronizers are single-cone. All of the friction surfaces on the synchronizer rings are sintered bronze. The ratios in the 6-speed are widely spaced for versatile performance and efficiency.

What motor in the G6 has the 6 speed , a V6 ???
I guess I answered this one...
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z12353/default.aspx

Also if you look up on the firewall of your GA's guys you will see thier is already a clutch bracket mount, not hard to go from thier.
Just get a 4cyl clutch components , and or for the F40 trans and mount it all up.

Sorry to hear your ill'n Gir!

J/K !!
I've been out layin around on the ground about everyother damn day. I should be sick but just havnt caught the bug.

Vipey on the cam, I wouldnt unless you get the stage 1 or 2 heads, it helps the valves and everything work better.
It also makes the valves open longer and quicker so you get optimum performance.

Keep your reciepts if you get the LIM changed!!

I dug up all mine the other day. Fixing to call the lawyers listed on that Dexcool site and see where they are at with the proceedings. I'm hoping you can file without paying an attorny a boatload of cash, I hate those guys...

[Gir-_-]

The 3.6-liter V-6 VVT engine is mated to a Hydra-Matic 6T70 electronically controlled, six-speed automatic transmission.

I've driven a manual hydra-matic, has very weird shifting... I didnt really like it to much, felt squishy

[grfnkl]

Didn't i say not to jinx yourself there vipey??? I know i said it... I'm sure i said it. Seriously though sorry to hear that. Depends on how bad the leak is will depend on how long you can baby it. I think I was able to last about 2 months on the leak i had before i blew the gasket further. I say do everything at once if you have the money now!


For the g6 trans... I know the 3.9L V6 ( which is the engine i have) has the 6 speed trans ( I only have a 4 spd auto though ) I believe the 3.6L v6 also has a 6 speed trans as well. I am unsure if they both have the same tranny's or not, but i would assume that they are the same.


Hey XI keep us posted on any findings about the Dexcool classaction if you find anything out. I'll have to dig out my old reciept too for it as well.

[Gir-_-]

P0453........ EVAP fuel tank pressure sensor high input

is on my to-do list now, after taking my girl home being sick... I knew something is messed up with my tank from when I had issues earlier with my fuel.. they didnt put something back together correctly back there. Everytime I went over a slight bump i'd hear it hit something on the car's body.. my guess is that the fuel pump isnt secure or something stupid that'll allow it to vibrate to engine vibrations and goes up/down on bumps... its been doing this since I got it back, just now its making more noise than ever (thats include the engine vibration, drives me crazy just waiting in idle)

Good thing im taking care of it tomorrow already as planned heh

[xeroinfinity]

Oh yeah sorry to hear about your LIM Vipey just another GA hassle.

At least we didnt get any of this stuff!

[xeroinfinity]

Someone pm's me this link today, enjoy!

http://www.teptronics.com/hb0196.html

Edit...

I forgot to mention I got me a 2002 Sonoma 4x4 lastweek(friday).
I traded my 98 Dakota and $3K, no damn payments for me !
Here's a few picks...it has most of your bells and whistles.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...s/DSC00022.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...s/DSC00028.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...s/DSC00026.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...DSC00027-1.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...s/DSC00023.jpg

In the dash pic you can almost see the "security" light flashin, not a problem tho.
And that crazy radio security feature is on need that disabled asap!

[Gir-_-]

An old friend of ours has updated and is claiming

Current Engine Output: 355 Horsepower - 330 LB-FT Torque - Supercharged (est. 285whp w/ 5psi of boost)

lol hmmmm.... Looks very very clean though, I wonder what transmission mods he has done....



http://www.gbnperformance.com/Project%20V6Fury.htm

[xeroinfinity]

doesnt look to bad.

I made my heads from his stage 2 set up, he realy went overboard on the stage 3 , Intake Valves/1.771"(44.98mm), Exhaust Valves/1.457"(37mm) thats huge !

A new user posted this link for parts, http://www.mantapart.com/ click on classic/grand am 99+ and you'll find these...

Coil Over Bilstein Struts & Springs: These are specially built to be shorter and are valved for stiffer spring rates. The best German quality gas shocks for extreme useage. Complete with fully adjustable coil over springs and all mounting hdwe. Available in various valving setup for different applications, [b]lowers car up to 4" [/B,]inquire for tech help. ($50 Core refund/credit when you return your useable old frt. struts. Must be straight & fairly rust free) Set of front and rear struts.

OP $1,500.00

That's what I want, control !!
A little pricey tho.... t

[Gir-_-]

yea ive heard of that mantapart site, but under engine stuff I really just see alot for the 3.1L

that grand am tho must kick some butt with that supercharger on there, I wonder what kind of oil hes using in it.... thats a lot of work for a grand am and money to just get 285whp on 5psi....

With a scion tc, slap on a 8psi turbo and have it be daily driven with the same amount of power with much room to upgrade.

Those scion guys have been getting crazy building up the bottom end of the 2.4L ... I think I saw one boosted up to 22psi ? and made over 500whp I believe, with all these outstanding results from just a boosted application I might have to re-think my car strat lol... been putting it all together AND tax season is here, with the extension of my job, I could be good to go for a down payment in a month or two