Economic Stimulus

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by blazee

Seriously though, how is it that this guy gets airtime and everyone listens, but when American Ron Paul starts to make a valid point, he gets cut-off and called crazy?

It's called; "Change you can COUNT ON" eventually leading to one world government and one world bank! AIG is asking for & getting another $30+ billion – after burning through the last $133 billion. Thanks to Obama's new budget, the US government (our children & grandchildren) will be spending trillions trying to bailout the entire global economy. And from the looks of things…it is failing. Did you notice "B-Hillary" is promising 330-million to rebuild the Gaza strip so they can build more tunnels for smuggling weapons to threaten Israel. BTW, her globe trotting diplomatic vacation must be like a spring break for Bill, freedom at last!

Change is what 50% of the people don’t want and just what the system won’t permit. There are already too many leeches on the government – however, the leeches are allowed to vote and Obama is depending on them! Obama’s new budget contains the biggest bag of hand-outs since the Roosevelt Administration. The age of big government is back! The more the government tries to pump up the world economy, the flatter it seems to get! This reminds me of trying to pump up a tire, without first plugging the hole where it was leaking! In addition, you can not plug the leak with borrowed paper money!

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by CL8

You guys laugh at that, but can't you see the writing on the wall already?

Doesn't it make you want to cry?

Our great nation is being destroyed before our eyes.

It may not happen that exact way, but it's coming.

Agree. Once our money has been inflated into uselessness, it's only a matter of time.

Unfortunately, it will get much worse first, then we'll need a "savior" to lead us out of it. And, no, Obama is not it.

We can joke about the possibilities of places like Texas becoming self sufficient, but it can happen. There are states that really don't need the union as it now exists.

Take a look at the growing number of states that are now passing resolutions to (re)declare their sovereignty under the 10th amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

I think we'll see some blood letting before this all settles out, if it ever does.

In our neck of the woods, right on the PA/NY state line, there has been considerable discussion about the drain on upstate resources that NYC and Phila impose upon us in our respective areas.

In the 80's, I remember reading about predicted tax revolts and class warfare. It doesn't sound quite as far-fetched now as it did back then.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

Take a look at the growing number of states that are now passing resolutions to (re)declare their sovereignty under the 10th amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

That is a good point. Texas has that covered under its Constitution but resolutions or bills are being introduced.

Texas Rep. Creighton files concurrent resolution which states:

81R5789 MMS-F

By: Creighton H.C.R. No. 50

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people";
and............................................... .

Link to Article/Blog

Ron Paul supporters in Oklahoma.

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[03cavPA]

I'll tell ya, if TX wants to secede, I'd support it. It's high time these idjits get a clue that CA, NY, and a handful of liberal states do NOT represent the rest of us and we don't agree with a lot of that nutcase crap those reps keep coming up with.

One of our reps in the PA state House is introducing a resolution to reaffirm our state sovereignty under the US Constitution. I contacted him to urge him to push it through. I also contacted my own state rep to tell her the same thing and she wrote me back with some lame-ass civics lesson type stuff, explaining the 10th amendment and the true nature of a resolution, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

I wrote her back, basically told her to hold the civics lesson and asked her point blank what her position was on HR 95 and how was she going to represent my interests toward states' rights as my elected representative.

I'm tired of pussyfooting with these jackasses. Get a rope; it's time to dance.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

I'll tell ya, if TX wants to secede, I'd support it. It's high time these idjits get a clue that CA, NY, and a handful of liberal states do NOT represent the rest of us and we don't agree with a lot of that nutcase crap those reps keep coming up with.

Plus we are lucky with the Gulf of Mexico and waterways for commerce and military operations.

Yup! Still Red state versus Blue state and technically the country is still split down the middle. If we ever get into a civil war again it will be very bloody.


Back to that nutty Russian professor California falls under Chinese influence or goes to China?

Obviously he has not visited the U.S. or California for that matter. The last time I checked Hispanics/Latinos were the clear majority although the Asian population has grown considerably. Hispanic/Latinos are now the majority in Texas too but I seriously doubt we will be going back to Mexico. There is off the wall talk about annexing Mexico or parts of it due to the drug wars and continuing violence down there. A whole armored division is being moved to Ft Bliss which is in my area. And we have two divisions of armor and infantry at Ft Hood.

Plus his vision conflicts with the "Viva La Raza" Hispanic/Latino types that believe in the Reconquista movement which is the reconquering of California and the Southwest. That is happening without a shot being fired.

It is all wishful thinking on his part. Obviously many countries would rather see the U.S. fail.

[CL8]

What about those of us who were born and raised in blue states, have family in them, but we're "Red" at heart?
As for me I'm the only real conservative Republican in my family, I'm hoping my family will turn around seeing this mess Obama is leaving us in!

Will I be compelled to move from the great Northwest, down to a southern red state?

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by CL8

What about those of us who were born and raised in blue states, have family in them, but we're "Red" at heart?
As for me I'm the only real conservative Republican in my family, I'm hoping my family will turn around seeing this mess Obama is leaving us in!

Will I be compelled to move from the great Northwest, down to a southern red state?

If you can find a job or looking for a new adventure or a new way of life why not. You're always welcome in the Sovereign State of Texas.

The economy overall in Texas is still hanging in there versus the rest of the country. I'd have to double check but statistically the majority of the U.S. population base is in the South.

We migrated from New Jersey a long time ago. Speaking of one screwed up liberal state.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

If you can find a job or looking for a new adventure or a new way of life why not. You're always welcome in the Sovereign State of Texas.

I went to college in Texas, met my ex husband at BIBLE college there, he left us and moved back with his mom in Texas, now he is in Louisiana, remarried so all my exs DID live in Texas! But all my family is in Washington State, with me in Oregon not too far away. I would hate to live so far away from them.
However my folks did contemplate retiring in SanAntonio, but since I and my sisters are still up here, I believe that is why they never chose to move there.
Maybe this economy could be a turning point for all my family!

Thanks for the invite BNaylor!

The economy overall in Texas is still hanging in there versus the rest of the country. I'd have to double check but statistically the majority of the U.S. population base is in the South.

We migrated from New Jersey a long time ago. Speaking of one screwed up liberal state.

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

HotZ28, I wouldn't be surprised if half of that money is shipped back to Mexico.

How about 22.2 billion for a conservative estimate!

What a joke this is; the US Census (and other sources) estimates only 15% illegal immigrants will consume the 300,000 construction jobs. More like 90% from what I see in Georgia & Florida! I think it's time for a head count, if & when these jobs are actually created!

Stimulus Loophole Gives 300,000 Jobs to Illegals
Monday, March 9, 2009 6:09 PM

By: David A. Patten

An estimated 300,000 construction jobs paid for by the stimulus plan will go to illegal workers after leading Democrats removed a provision requiring verification of citizenship, a leading immigration expert tells Newsmax. The House version of the $787 billion stimulus bill required verification of the legal residency of anyone put to work by its spending. But that provision was removed from the bill before members of Congress met to reconcile the House and Senate versions of the bill.

Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), tells Newsmax the verification provision was deleted by Democratic leaders even before the bill reached the conference committee, where differences between House and Senate legislation are normally ironed out.

“When it got to conference, the top people -- not just the conference members, but the top people: Reid, Pelosi, and Obama -- chose to kill the provision and not include it,” Camarota says. “This was a purposeful decision.”

The provision would have required that workers’ names to be vetted through the Internet-based E-Verify system. E-Verify, a joint project of the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration, gives employers a quick means of verifying employee eligibility.

“E-Verify is our most effective tool for preventing illegal immigrants from getting jobs, and they chose not to use it,” says Camarota.
The estimate of 300,000 construction jobs is based on U.S. Census and other studies showing that approximately 15 percent of U.S. construction workers are illegal immigrants.

Construction projects funded by the stimulus bill are expected to generate 2 million jobs. Assuming 15 percent of those workers are illegal, 300,000 illegal aliens would be employed. The actual number could be higher, however, because many of the projects are in states with high immigrant populations, such as Texas, California, and Florida.

The CIS estimates are accepted by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and even groups that advocate on behalf of illegals don’t quibble with them much. One activist for illegals, however, told USA Today that the CIS report amounts to “fear tactics.”

Some sources suggest Democrats opened up stimulus money to illegals to placate activists who may have to wait for the outright amnesty they covet. Others say it reflects the influence of pro-business interests who want a vast workforce of reasonably priced labor.

Whatever the motivation, Camarota says it’s no accident the verification measure was stripped out. “This was not just a careless oversight that can sometimes happen in the legislative process,” he says.

One economic concern generated by the CIS report: A significant portion of illegal workers’ income is shipped out of the United States to support their families. That money would no longer be available to support economic activity in the United States.

The Council on Foreign Relations, for example, estimates that in 2004 Mexican nationals pumped $22.2 billion back into Mexico’s economy via remittances sent back home. How well U.S. taxpayers tolerate the export of stimulus dollars given the rapidly rising unemployment at home remains to be seen.

“In general construction jobs are reasonably good paying jobs for working class people, and we’re talking about perhaps 300,000 of them going to people who aren’t supposed to be even in the country,” Camarota says. “And this is money coming from taxpayers. The whole point of the stimulus is to put Americans back to work. And by not including E-Verify, it’s a terrible slap in the face to U.S. construction workers, who are currently experiencing a 10 percent, sometimes even 15 percent unemployment rate.”

Before leaving office, former President Bush signed an executive order requiring all federal contractors to submit employees’ names to E-verify. President Obama has delayed implementation of that directive until at least May 21.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has filed a lawsuit to prevent making the use of E-Verify mandatory. The organization says Congress approved it strictly as a voluntary initiative. Source

[CL8]

O.K.,
I e-mailed my two Senators, plus five others asking them to vote NO when the next Stimulus Bill comes up ( and we know it will!)

I also plan on being at the April 15th Portland Tea Party for another protest!

What are any of you guys doing to voice your opposition to this nonsense spending in congress?

[03cavPA]

Wait until you see how much you'll pay in taxes for that health insurance provided by your employer.

BO's administration is looking to raise taxes any way they can.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/...9061237120596/

Obama may back taxing health benefits
Published: March 15, 2009 at 8:36 AM

WASHINGTON, March 15 (UPI) -- The Obama administration may support a move to tax employee health benefits as a way to finance an overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system, sources say.

Support for the idea would represent a turnabout for President Barack Obama, who last year criticized Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona when he floated a similar idea, calling it "the largest middle-class tax increase in history," The New York Times (NYSE:NYT) reported Sunday.

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But now, unnamed White House advisers told the newspaper that, while the president will not propose changing the tax-free status of employee health benefits himself, neither would he oppose it if Congress does so.

White House Budget Director Peter Orszag indicated at a recent congressional hearing that taxing health benefits "most firmly should remain on the table," the Times said.

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Nice one, Barry. "I was against it before I was for it."

[CL8]

Call your Senators and Congressmen and a few others in Protest!

[thegladhatter]

...bastards! They want to take from us and give to dumasses like these idiots>>>> http://www.theobamaforum.com/index.php

[CL8]

Did you hear Obama is now saying the economy isn't so bad, because even some Democrats are upset other nations don't want to invest in the U.S. with how bad Obama has been saying it is!

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by CL8

Did you hear Obama is now saying the economy isn't so bad, because even some Democrats are upset other nations don't want to invest in the U.S. with how bad Obama has been saying it is!

Flip flop Obama. That is nothing new. He flip flopped during the Democratic primaries, during the Presidential election, and since he was inaugurated to present.