2ND generation rx-7 --- v-8 conversion kit.

[tubjub]

why, to get around emissions where ur from ? (what state are you from?) e-check is hell on older piston engines and diesels, but they're doing away with it after this year. its only a caunty based thing right now, but they're talking about making something state-wide later on

[tubjub]

Originally Posted by V T E C H

Lets just put all this bickering behind us and marvel at the fact that a 1.3L engine can do such wonderful things. lol

if you really think about it, yeah mazda calls it a 1.3L, but ... in all reality its really 3x that size, and has 3 power pulses per revolution. its similar to a 2-stroke in setup (porting, oil injection) and a 13b has the equivelant setup to a v-6, because each side of each rotor is doing a different thing (compression, intake, ignition, exhaust) ...

this explains terrible fuel mileage, and power that's equivelant to a 3.9L in power potential.

[D3rELiC]

Originally Posted by tubjub

if you really think about it, yeah mazda calls it a 1.3L, but ... in all reality its really 3x that size, and has 3 power pulses per revolution. its similar to a 2-stroke in setup (porting, oil injection) and a 13b has the equivelant setup to a v-6, because each side of each rotor is doing a different thing (compression, intake, ignition, exhaust) ...

this explains terrible fuel mileage, and power that's equivelant to a 3.9L in power potential.

lol, you dont know shit about this stuff, go do ur homework before trying to put up arguments.

and since you've bring up that argument

Originally Posted by tubjub

swapping a 30 lb battery to the back of the car and setting a 400lb cast-iron v-8 block "back" in the car does not maintain the 50/50.. . if you are going to set the engine back, what about knocking back the firewall ??? ... the 13b as it sits weighs a whole what 200lbs (IF THAT) ? and revvs to 7000 with ease... very smoothly i might add.

most of today's recent v8 can be found with an aluminium block, and whats nice about the gm engines is the T56 tranny.

im not saying i like those v8 swaps, but dont spit on em, they're as heavy as a 13b is and that has been proven. the battery swap is to give more space under the hood, since the only real difference is the height of the engine. but since none of us here compete in any big class world racing or rally shit, its not realy a valuable argument since u wouldnt even notice the changes

[tubjub]

oh i forgot ... pistons are so cool. asshole

[D3rELiC]

just dont piss on em, thats an easy thing to do.
let those pricks play their game alone, dont become a prick by playing too.

[tubjub]

alright ... sorry for my foul mouth and etc. this thread needs to die

[V8s Rule]

having a V-8 in an RX-7 would make it front heavy, meaning you would need new steering components, and maybe if you were to build it with lots of power drifting around every corner could be the best thing in the world. you could drift like a pro just trying it for the first time.

[tubjub]

I guess you could look at it like that... But in my own eyes I just couldn't justify a v-8 in an rx7. If you want a v-8 in a car go buy a mustang or a camaro. They're just as capable in their own respect.

I've seen 5.0L mustangs that would eat an rx7 alive, but I've seen rx7's that outran the large v-engines like they were sitting still.

all in good fun ... read the signature

[drftk1d]

Originally Posted by V8s Rule

having a V-8 in an RX-7 would make it front heavy, meaning you would need new steering components, and maybe if you were to build it with lots of power drifting around every corner could be the best thing in the world. you could drift like a pro just trying it for the first time.

no.

havent we discussed this already? read the last 2 pages to see why its not true. the ls1 weighs slightly more than a turbo 13b.

[tubjub]

ok, i'll spell it out...

if you put a v-8 into an rx7, you are ignorant because you are simply giving up on the potential a rotary has... or the unwillingness to try something that's part of a new territory to someone who only knows "it ain't got no pistons"

JUST MY OPINION, NOT LOOKING TO START A FIGHT

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by V8s Rule

having a V-8 in an RX-7 would make it front heavy, meaning you would need new steering components, and maybe if you were to build it with lots of power drifting around every corner could be the best thing in the world. you could drift like a pro just trying it for the first time.

No, it doesn't, proven earlier in the thread.

[D3rELiC]

hey chris..

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by tubjub

I guess you could look at it like that... But in my own eyes I just couldn't justify a v-8 in an rx7. If you want a v-8 in a car go buy a mustang or a camaro. They're just as capable in their own respect.

So you're essentially saying that putting a V8 in an RX7 makes it the same as a camaro, (or, worse). So that, outside teh engines, there's nothing special about the RX7 that you can't get in a Mustang or Camaro? You really hate the RX7 that much to think that the engine is the only part of the car that is important?

That attitude completely ignores the fact that the FC is lighter, looks better, is better built, has better brakes, looks better, has better ergonomics, is smaller, looks better, has a better interior, better suspension, looks better, etc... the FC is numerous, cheap, easy to get, and unlike a lot of swaps, is dirt easy to do as the engine compartment accepts the V8 as though it was designed to be there. And the chassis carries the engine in such a way that it simply doesn't change the balance that the original car had, due to how far back it sits.

The car is far more than the engine, and we can be a enthusiast of the rest of the car, and even still like the engine, and still want to swap the V8 in. And it's been proven time and again that the conversion doesn't "f*ck up a unique car" but it DOES change it into a torquey, fun car with a different character than the stocker. Not necessarily better or worse, just different. In fact, most V8 swaps aren't done to cars that are in good running condition (though as those get cheaper, more conversions to running cars will happen), and are instead done, as my car was, to dead cars that even you rotary purists won't pay any money for.

I love rotaries. I'd love to see a TT 20B in a '66 Mustang fastback (a car that weighs about the same as a stock FC TII, BTW). A rotary porsche 914 is cool. I'd put a 13BT in my Fiat 124. I've put one in an MG before, and have drooled over Gibson's 400+ RWHP turbo 13B in a Triumph Spitfire. But somehow, because I support V8 RX7s, I'm a rotary hating redneck to people like you, and I just don't get it. This is supposed to be a fun hobby. It'll be the most fun if people simply knew what they were talking about, and didn't give others shit for building cars the way they want.

The RX7 is a light, balanced chassis regardless of engine. It's a GREAT looking car regardless of engine. It's a well built car regardless of engine. How come ALL you can see in your OWN CAR is the effin' engine?????? Apparently you think the rest of the car is a POS that only exists to give the rotary something to move around.

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by D3rELiC

hey chris..

Why? Is it too hard for you to be able to actually use yor brain?

Why can't we have an intelligent conversation without people like you being little bitches about it?

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by tubjub

ok, i'll spell it out...

if you put a v-8 into an rx7, you are ignorant because you are simply giving up on the potential a rotary has... or the unwillingness to try something that's part of a new territory to someone who only knows "it ain't got no pistons"

JUST MY OPINION, NOT LOOKING TO START A FIGHT

I had an R100, RX2, 2 RX3s, 2 first gen RX7s, then the FC. I also had a 12A powered MG Midget, crewed for an SCCA rally RX2, and an IMSA RS RX3 road racer and the same team's Formula Libre 13B powered formula car. All my rotaries (except the R100) were slalom racers and street cars, with my '73 RX3 with the heavily ported later 12A single dizzy engine being my favorite (wish I had another one). Fricking fast little car (ran 13s back in '84) and a lot of fun to race and waste the average musclecar with back then (most street musclecars back then were like jacked up Novas and the like that weren't as fast as they could be. 13s on the street was enough to win a LOT of the time in stoplight confrontations...).



One of my first gen RX7s had an RX4 13B that was heavily ported. the car was beat up , but that engine was nuts in there.

My FC was bought to go autocross instead of teh Porsche 944 I was looking for at the time, and after I had Greg Fordahl set up the suspension, it was a champion autocrosser. But when it died in '93, and I had the choice of rebuilding it to stock specs for big bucks, or trying to make it fast for even bigger bucks (and unreliable), I got to looking at the empty engine compartment and realized that the small block Ford would fit in there perfectly. hell, there was more room in there than in most Mustangs...



I had the car for 5 years in V8 form, finally selling it in '98 to pay back taxes. It was completely reliable and an excellent autocrosser and street driver. Yes, it was different than it had been as a rotary car. That was the point. I wanted to build a unique hot rod, similar to a modern version of the Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe.

I still love rotaries, and would love to build a rotary powered hybrid car. If I hadn't gotten my '63 Comet convertible project started, I'd love to put a turbo 13B into my Fiat 124. Wouldn't this car be cool with a Turbo II engine in it??

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/fiat_spider.htm

Does that look like a car an ignorant redneck would build?

This is a HOBBY. It's supposed to be FUN. It's not supposed to be about worshipping religious idols and attacking people who you label as heretics! Cars don't HAVE souls. Cars are mechanical objects built by people.

I built mine for fun after my autocrossing FC died. And it was a faster, better handling autocross car after the conversion.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/rex1.MPG

But that wasn't why I built it. I built it because that's the way I wanted it at that time. it was fun, and when I built it in '93, it was the cheaper route. As well as being more unique. I HAD Mustangs and a Trans Am before. I didn't want another one. I wanted to see what would happen if I took the nearly perfect FC chassis that I loved the looks of and already had, and ran a cheap, light, high torque engine in it. The result was much more than the sum of it's parts. Much like the result when I put a 12A into an MG. that's what the hobby is all about. And here, I run into closed minded idiots who would rather insult me and the car than just learn from it, basically saying, "I don't care what the facts are, I want to be closed minded and insulting" as though thats a valuable goal for your life.