Need more power

[ILovePower]

I don't know where to start. Basically, I am new to the tuning world and need help. I have a stock 1992 Civic HB 1.6i Vetec. I am looking to squeeze more horses out of it, so I need advice on turbocharging.

If anybody with knowledge on the subject could provide me with a list of all parts for a basic installation, I would be very grateful. If you could just list every individual part, and some brand names that are good, that would be great!

I just want a basic setup to begin, with potential to build in the future. First of all, is it safe to run 9 or 10psi on stock motor parts? I intend on running it at this level for a while just to break it in.

The car is a completely stock 1992 Civic as I said. It has 63,000 miles on it and is very reliable. I aim to keep it this way - I want a car I can use everyday, which is reliable, but the power is there for situations when I need it, i.e. when some fool wants to race me! Ha Ha.

I intended on buying a full kit, but I have been warned not to, as some parts that are needed for a full installation are not included. I want to buy each part individually, so it is a complete custom setup. If anyone could just advise me on different types of manifolds, wastegates, blow-off-valves etc.

Could anyone also give me information on fuelling and ECU etc? Thanks alot. Peace out and keep tuning!

[Greenblurr93]

since your new, just buy a greddy kit and put it on, it comes with everything u need.

[97integrals]

No one on here is going to do all your leg work for you, you have to do your own research and then when you have a specific question come back and we will help you. I would suggest buying a complete kit since you are new to turbos or if you looking for a better set up than a kit can offer you need to research for about a year until you are ready to boost your Honda. Another thing you need to set your goals in terms of horsepower not psi.

[superbluecivicsi]

Search.

[ILovePower]

OK I'll try again. I have found a kit with the following - Garrett T3 turbo with oil cooled internals, 35mm external wastegate with adjustable boost controlled spring 3.63 to 19psi includes gaskets, flanges and accessories. RFL blow-off-valve, 12" x 24" x 4" intercooler with 4" race core for cooling efficiency. Custom made B-series manifold made to be used with 35mm external wastegate. High grade stainless steel to dissipate heat. Downpipe with o2 bung, 90 degree elbow, flanges, gaskets, flange for BOV, flange kit for wastegate, 10 various turbo fittings/barbs/hoses/clamps/tbar.

The kit is £1000 and the company provide a fitting service. I have been in touch with the company and they have said they will provide the kit and a full fitting service for £1600. They have also agreed to provide a full ECU and a re-map to ensure correct fuel/air ratio for an extra £500. I have opted to add a Blitz SBC sequential boost controller for an additional £285, which can handle up to 36.75 psi. I am also replacing the RFL BOV with a vehicle specific HKS super sequential BOV with fitting kit for another £119. So in total it will be pushing £2000. Roughly $3648 for everything!

GOOD OR NOT? I have been advised to add a Walbro 255 litres per hour fuel pump to aid fuelling. I have been told that if I want to run at higher boost, I will have to reinforce the bottom end. I intend to purchase SRP forged pistons at 9:1 compression ratio and Eagle H-Beam connecting rods when I get the cash sorted. Will I need a new clutch kit when I up the boost? I also wanted to eventually buy new camshaft, CAM gears, underdrive pulleys, Nology hot wires, Iridium spark plugs etc. I also plan on having it ported and polished and gas flowed heads. I have been told if I have the top package done I can get an additional 100hp. I aim for a minimum of 200bhp with the standard turbo setup. Been told to run it between 6 and 10psi based on type of usage.

Please hit me back with replies, cos I wanna mek sure it's dun right first time. The guy who owns the company has performed alot of turbo conversions to loads of different types of Civic. Been doin it for about 13 years.

[97integrals]

what company makes the kit?

[ILovePower]

Originally Posted by 97integrals

what company makes the kit?

It is a company known as Import Tuning - the actual turbo is a Garret T3. They import parts from America due to severe shortage of decent parts in the UK. The racing scene here is nowhere near as big man.

[ILovePower]

Yo forget everything I have just said. Read the article on "ssautochrome" and I have realised after looking closer at the bigger pic of the turbo, it says XS Power on the lip. I simply do not have enough money to be messin round with repairs if the manifold or turbo crack etc. I heard the quality of build is shit! Gunna luk towards sumthing like Greddy or Rev Hard. Wot u fink? Or Drag Gen 3. Peace

[ILovePower]

Originally Posted by ILovePower

It is a company known as Import Tuning - the actual turbo is a Garret T3. They import parts from America due to severe shortage of decent parts in the UK. The racing scene here is nowhere near as big man.

The company is just a front - they are selling the kit on behalf of "ssautochrome." That's jus the name of their workshop. Thanks for the info peeps. Glad I didn't go ahead with it.

Although I have read mixed articles about the quality of build. Sum say had it for years with no probs, sum say cracked in first week! But I am not willing to risk the cash. Peace out.

[97integrals]

that's what I was getting at I figured for that price that it was ssautocrap.

[ILovePower]

Originally Posted by 97integrals

that's what I was getting at I figured for that price that it was ssautocrap.

Can you direct me to any good kits or websites? By the way I have been looking into fuel management. What is the way to go Hondata or AEM? Is it easy enough to install a turbo kit on your own?

[zagrot]

turbo on a vtec soundl like a great idea, but you'll have to change the cam profile so when the high rpm profile comes in there is not so much overlap, otherwise the incoming air and fuel is blown out of the exhaust. go ahead and get a water cooled turbo, the difference in price is negligable compared to replacing an air cooled turbo every two or three years. if you are thinking about big boost numbers then you may want to consider dished pistons. have fun

[97integrals]

Originally Posted by zagrot

turbo on a vtec soundl like a great idea, but you'll have to change the cam profile so when the high rpm profile comes in there is not so much overlap, otherwise the incoming air is blown out of the exhaust. have fun

WRONG!! Please don't give out info unless you know what you are talking about. This is yet another myth in the Honda community. vtec cams work great with boost. In fact there have been many test that show with type r cams and cam gears you can gain a substantial amount of power over less aggressive cams. Do some research please; everyone is finding that on Honda motors more power is made by dialing in overlap not out.
http://www.evans-tuning.com/forum/vi...ams+b18c5+cams

[97integrals]

Originally Posted by ILovePower

Can you direct me to any good kits or websites? By the way I have been looking into fuel management. What is the way to go Hondata or AEM? Is it easy enough to install a turbo kit on your own?

My personal recommendation would be www.full-race.com, but they are a little pricey. If you are looking for something good for a little less money check out, www.one-fab.com , www.lovefabinc.com , www.neukin.com all very good companies. Just remember you get what you pay for. As far as EMS I would find a very good tuner in your area and then ask them which system they prefer to work with.

[zagrot]

overlap is not condusive to turbo performance. the high rpm profile on a vtec engine has more lift, duration, and overlap to achieve greater performance from a naturaly aspirated engine, but turbos do not do well with great ammounts of overlap.