"American" cars are getting better

[carguyinok]

From the looks of it the "American" cars are getting better. The reason for the " " on American is because I cant keep up on where some of these cars are being made. But, most people are still going with GM, Ford, and Dodge as THE American line up.
Anyway, from the looks of the new line up from the big three. They seem to have put some of the focus back into HP I am a GM guy to the bone. I almost hate to say this BUT Dodge has my vote for for the all around HP for the 2004 line up. Yes, GM is getting there. The thing I see is Dodge has put it out there NOW as in first. Whith GM working on getting the new HP toy's out in 2nd place.So, now ford is in 3rd and playin catch up. Yet, still showing a good hand for the 2005 line.
All and all I would say the big three have woke up and started back in with flexing some real muscle I would also like to add most of this flexing is being done without the help of turbos or superchargers. Back to old school raw HP
Not thats there is anything wrong with turbo or sc for getting power. I just think it's cool seeing good HP #'s NA. This way the aftermarkert has some real room to play and push some killer HP #'s with some bolt on's.
Anyway, thats the way I see it

[Vicious]

Ford in third? what about the new ford gt?? and the new mustang goin back to the older style?
yea they are both expensive but for overall hp 500 horses is hard to beat

[broddie50]

All three have strong cars in their lineup's, but Dodge seems to win the hp war in 04. The SRT-4, SRT-10, and Ram SRT-10 being basically the most powerful of the domestics in their class. I wish GM would bring back the camaro though...

[DGB454]

One thing I have noticed in recent years from "American" autos is the styling. The foreign car styling seems to be getting rather bland at best. I haven't seen a lot of imagination coming from Japan or Europe. I like a lot of the American retro autos comming out lately. What's happened to the designers in the other countries? Have they all fallen asleep?

As far a power goes I will have to go with Dodge. Although there are some very respectable contenders in the both Chevy and Fords line up.

[-Josh-]

GM just needs to get the enthusiasm back like Buick had in the mid-late 80's. When they really cared about making a great car. I think they are getting some of this energy back, after seeing the imports sneak up and take them by surprise.

[carguyinok]

Ford in third? what about the new ford gt?? and the new mustang goin back to the older style?

I was in now way saying bad things about them. Only that I am looking at the 04 line as a whole. The way I understand it.... The new retro stang is set for 05 & They are building so few GT and the cost

GM just needs to get the enthusiasm back like Buick had in the mid-late 80's. When they really cared about making a great car. I think they are getting some of this energy back, after seeing the imports sneak up and take them by surprise.

GM is working on it IMO. Only, IMO they are close with ford with the big GM players for 05. The only thing I see putting them in 2nd for 04 is the SSR. But I have mixed feelings on the SSR. It gives me that Prowler taste.

[Musclecarclub]

It seems that MOPAR is the place for modern horsepower. I mean, they have a 500 bhp Viper and Ram, and they are putting the Hemi into everything. Even the Neon STR is fast!

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by carguyinok

I was in now way saying bad things about them. Only that I am looking at the 04 line as a whole. The way I understand it.... The new retro stang is set for 05 & They are building so few GT and the cost

Actually the cost of the new GT is considerably less than anything that is close to comparable. I think it was Car and Driver that said the closest thing to it would cost around $650,000.00. I could be off a little on that price tag but I don't think I am.

Edit: Here is the article...http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

[Vicious]

yea the enzo....and damn thats expensive.....for what that article says ill be getting one of those when i win the lottery
(the gt of couse)..... .

[DGB454]

With it's performance levels in all catagories I am a little suprised it is only going for around $150,000.00.
This has to piss off European auto makers. Hopefully they will sell well.

[RedLightning]

Originally Posted by DGB454

With it's performance levels in all catagories I am a little suprised it is only going for around $150,000.00.
This has to piss off European auto makers. Hopefully they will sell well.

not trying to be annoying but the price on the GT is $140,000 i just read about it in C/D or M/T.

[carguyinok]

( "Originally Posted by DGB454
With it's performance levels in all catagories I am a little suprised it is only going for around $150,000.00.
This has to piss off European auto makers. Hopefully they will sell well.")
("not trying to be annoying but the price on the GT is $140,000 i just read about it in C/D or M/T.")

The only way the GT can look like a deal is sitting next to a Ferrari Whats that say

[RedLightning]

Originally Posted by carguyinok

The only way the GT can look like a deal is sitting next to a Ferrari Whats that say

well they are the cars Ford set out to beat, and compared to the corvette and viper, the Ford, is an 'american exotic' not just an american sports car, which the corvette and vipers are.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by carguyinok

( "Originally Posted by DGB454
With it's performance levels in all catagories I am a little suprised it is only going for around $150,000.00.
This has to piss off European auto makers. Hopefully they will sell well.")
("not trying to be annoying but the price on the GT is $140,000 i just read about it in C/D or M/T.")

The only way the GT can look like a deal is sitting next to a Ferrari Whats that say

Actually it looks like a deal sitting next to any european exotic until you get to the $650,000 price range. It out performs them and sells for less. I would say that says a lot.

[Jared_80]

I give the utmost credit to the American car makers for reviving the HP war and giving us the power that we wanted all along but it would be even nicer if the would give us the handeling to go with it. There is not a single car made in America that can match the Evo in the slolom and few that can match it's .97g on the skidpad, and none of those come near it's pricerange. Overall good job guys (especaly Mopar) but you still have a little work to do before you totaly whoop the Japs. I don't think that it will be long before stuff like the Corvetts (optional) in-cab adjustable suspension system, become commonplace and that will really put the squeeze on the import market. Now if we can just beat Honda to the first mass produced Carbon Fiber chassies, I think that America will have it's long awaited lead in overall proformance.