Boosted CRX vs SRT-4

[209 SRT]

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

I wonder can you make sig pic a little bigger? I'm still squinting to make it out.

Yeah I had the same problem.......nah just dont know how to shrink it...

B18c1 and boost is a great combo 10psi can net 300WHP stock guts with good turbine and tuning.

dont forget........h22 and boost......

[Right_LiRrr]

omg, your sig is such a badass pic!! And I like the little eyelids on the bugeyes, makes them look mean instead of docile....damn bugeyes!!

As for the underrating: doing it for marketing purposes is counteruntuitive - power sells cars, so the higher than can put it the better - hence using crank power instead of wheels.

Insurance is possible, and more likely - however, it would depend on the company. I mean, most companies charge u heaps for a turbo, but there are heaps of cars with turbos just because they have 3 cyl and need the turbo to move...slowly!! So I dunno if insurance companies base it on manufacturer power figures or not

[Ace$nyper]

Originally Posted by 209 SRT

dont forget........h22 and boost......

H22 doesn't fair as well as the B and K series do.

If you have alot of money you'll be able to get GREAT numbers out of the H22 motors a few creep around at 2.5 ltrs or larger and push PSI.

A few real nasty street motors are up to 2700cc and make 300WHP N/A.

Most people take the B series still as it going in alot more cars common to tuners it got all the aftermarket while Ludes were somewhat left out still a quite mod friendly motor it just doesn't have following of the Bs.

That whole open deck ish also keeps people away from boosting a H22 becaues it unlike a B won't take 10 psi on stock guts.

[Musashi3000GT]

Hey Right_lirrr, have you seen the success of the SRT-4 in the american rally competitions. it came in overall first place in 2004 beating out both the Evo and the WRX.
And I feel ya on the drivability and true-life road application of a car but dont diss the SRT-4 on those terms because thats just one more of its fortes.

In the SCCA the SRT-4 has been smoking lots of AWD cars despite it beeing FWD. and in the Redline/ superstreet time attack it was a FWD car that smoked all the Evos, STIs, and GT-R including Igor's z-tuned. the Chevrolette Grandam series Cobalt SS took overall best lap and oblitirated last years record by 3 seconds. FWDs can hang.

[209 SRT]

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

H22 doesn't fair as well as the B and K series do.

If you have alot of money you'll be able to get GREAT numbers out of the H22 motors a few creep around at 2.5 ltrs or larger and push PSI.

A few real nasty street motors are up to 2700cc and make 300WHP N/A.

Most people take the B series still as it going in alot more cars common to tuners it got all the aftermarket while Ludes were somewhat left out still a quite mod friendly motor it just doesn't have following of the Bs.

That whole open deck ish also keeps people away from boosting a H22 becaues it unlike a B won't take 10 psi on stock guts.

yeah if I ever owned a hatch I would try to get my hands on a k series...
just that motor alone stock in a hatch would do some serious damage....

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by Musashi3000GT

Hey Right_lirrr, have you seen the success of the SRT-4 in the american rally competitions. it came in overall first place in 2004 beating out both the Evo and the WRX.
And I feel ya on the drivability and true-life road application of a car but dont diss the SRT-4 on those terms because thats just one more of its fortes.

In the SCCA the SRT-4 has been smoking lots of AWD cars despite it beeing FWD. and in the Redline/ superstreet time attack it was a FWD car that smoked all the Evos, STIs, and GT-R including Igor's z-tuned. the Chevrolette Grandam series Cobalt SS took overall best lap and oblitirated last years record by 3 seconds. FWDs can hang.

ok i havent researched it... but i highly doubt a FWD car beat a AWD car in a rally race, id be willing to bet it was converted to AWD, kinda like the ford focus rally car... but then again i havent researched it at all...

[209 SRT]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

ok i havent researched it... but i highly doubt a FWD car beat a AWD car in a rally race, id be willing to bet it was converted to AWD, kinda like the ford focus rally car... but then again i havent researched it at all...

well my model the acr is build for track and auto x..............

[Ace$nyper]

Originally Posted by 209 SRT

well my model the acr is build for track and auto x..............

That they are.

American Club Racing if memory serves me.

the SRT-4 that faired so well in rally still was FF.

[BadA$$Snake]

My god if this hasn't gotten otu of handI dunno what to say anymore...Can't we just end all f this and move on for once, until the next "I BEAT A MUSTANG, YAY!" quote comes along. i don't see why people hate us so much, what did I ever do to you, hah. But seriously this is getting crazy. Late.

[Musashi3000GT]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

ok i havent researched it... but i highly doubt a FWD car beat a AWD car in a rally race, id be willing to bet it was converted to AWD, kinda like the ford focus rally car... but then again i havent researched it at all...

Yeah dude, no kidding. go to mopar.com and check it out. I dont think it was in the SCCA rally but some other American Rally Series of sort. The white and blue Mopar SRT-4 FWD came in overall first in 2004 outgunning all competition including dozens of STI and Evos and Audi Quattros.

the same year that Sam Hubbinet came in first at the Formula D with the Mopar Viper. 2004 was the year for Mopar man!

and yes the SRT-4 faired so well from coast to coast that the ACR series got the green light.

[Right_LiRrr]

I don't doubt the SRT-4 can do well in rally. It's a FF layout which if I remember correctly is the second best platform for rally (behind AWD). And back when AWD wasn't that well developed or cheap, most rally cars WERE FWD. I remember Audi's quattro was the first rally car that showed the true potential of AWD back when they were all FWD.

And my memory may be screwing with me here, but doesn't Honda's Type-R used to represent their Rally cars - which were all FF? Or were they never involved in rallying? I really can't remember.

However, you kind of walked right into my point that there's too much of proving a car is good by talking about other people, which most of the time is in a biased context.

I mean, yeah, I believe you that the SRT-4 can beat evos and STi's...but can the best SRT-4 driver compete against the best of the evo and STi drivers in the WRC?? I wouldn't think so, because driver skill at that level is so similar, the competition would be based more heavily on car technology as well.

Sure it's persuasive to compare what a great driver can do - but it shouldn't be the end all of a debate.

I see on here far too often the excuse "I got too much wheel hop" taken as a good reason for why a FWD was slow down the 1/4 or why another car beat you. If you get bad wheel hop that you can't control, then you have a slow car (unless you run 13s - but then it's sad cos you think about what the cars potential is and how you can't reach it :-P) . It's irrelevant what this mythical "good driver" can do with it.

Ok, I've finished my rant...which kinda goes on many tangents...oh well, lol.

As a final point, I don't doubt the SRT-4 is a very driveable car (as in, it has a good useable powerband - which, btw, is pretty much my definition of driveability). However, it is not a good drag car because one, it is FWD and two, most people can't break 14s which is sad for a car which claims 230whp. So yeah, other people's 1/4 times are irrelavant to what's better, mustang or SRT-4. :-)

[209 SRT]

Originally Posted by Right_LiRrr

I don't doubt the SRT-4 can do well in rally. It's a FF layout which if I remember correctly is the second best platform for rally (behind AWD). And back when AWD wasn't that well developed or cheap, most rally cars WERE FWD. I remember Audi's quattro was the first rally car that showed the true potential of AWD back when they were all FWD.

And my memory may be screwing with me here, but doesn't Honda's Type-R used to represent their Rally cars - which were all FF? Or were they never involved in rallying? I really can't remember.

However, you kind of walked right into my point that there's too much of proving a car is good by talking about other people, which most of the time is in a biased context.

I mean, yeah, I believe you that the SRT-4 can beat evos and STi's...but can the best SRT-4 driver compete against the best of the evo and STi drivers in the WRC?? I wouldn't think so, because driver skill at that level is so similar, the competition would be based more heavily on car technology as well.

Sure it's persuasive to compare what a great driver can do - but it shouldn't be the end all of a debate.

I see on here far too often the excuse "I got too much wheel hop" taken as a good reason for why a FWD was slow down the 1/4 or why another car beat you. If you get bad wheel hop that you can't control, then you have a slow car (unless you run 13s - but then it's sad cos you think about what the cars potential is and how you can't reach it :-P) . It's irrelevant what this mythical "good driver" can do with it.

Ok, I've finished my rant...which kinda goes on many tangents...oh well, lol.

As a final point, I don't doubt the SRT-4 is a very driveable car (as in, it has a good useable powerband - which, btw, is pretty much my definition of driveability). However, it is not a good drag car because one, it is FWD and two, most people can't break 14s which is sad for a car which claims 230whp. So yeah, other people's 1/4 times are irrelavant to what's better, mustang or SRT-4. :-)

Yes it is sad that we dont get alot of traction and alot of guys cant get the power to the ground thus not breaking 14s but thats something people should realize when having a car that pushes out 230hp-250tq and weights 2900 and that is FWD......and only gets worse when modded...........but when racing on the track its pointless to run on street tires unless you really dont care what you hit.....thats why running a more track oriented tire grade such as slicks or drag radials are ideal for this purpose....not saying all the stock times are based on slicks...just saying not everyones a professional driver.....

[Right_LiRrr]

I totally agree with you.

It's just that the first comment that comes up around here when car A gets beat by a lesser car is "*BS flag* oh I saw Mr Y do it in xx.xx"

It was just beginning to annoy me is all. I'm alright now though :-)

Happy new years all