Obama’s dangerous economic plans for America

[Maximus84]

.He wants to almost double the capital gains tax. He wants to strip the FICA tax cap off every worker making more than $97,500. He wants to increase the dividend tax. He wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire — giving almost every American family an automatic tax increase.

He has called for more than $800 billion in new spending programs.
He is so radical he even backed driver’s licenses for illegal aliens — even though such a move would help future terrorists move freely in the United States.

He is the most pro-abortion candidate in the history of the country. In 2001, as a state legislator in Illinois, he opposed a bill to protect live born children — children actually born alive! He was the only Illinois senator to speak out against the bill.

He opposes gun rights. He has long history of trying to deny ordinary citizens access to guns.
He originally backed Washington D.C.’s total ban on private handguns — a ban that was overturned. The NRA rated him an “F” on gun positions and says he is one of the most dangerous anti-gun politicians in the nation.
Never forget that Obama is a Harvard educated elitist. To him we Americans are simply “bitter” and he has mocked us saying “[they] cling to their guns and their religion.”

[Maximus84]

Never before in the history of our nation have we faced such a grave crisis: one of the most radical political figures ever to be nominated by a major party is just minutes away from becoming President of the United States.
That man is Barack Obama.

He promises to change America forever. If elected, he will do just that — but in ways you may not like.
Remember Obama is the most liberal member of the United States Senate.
He received a 100 percent Liberal Rating from the National Journal, making him the most left-wing Senator in Washington — more liberal than even Democratic senators like Ted Kennedy.
If you look at Obama’s record, you will understand just how dangerous this man is.
He even has terrorist friends he won’t denounce. One such man is William Ayers, a leader in the radical terrorist group the Weatherman Underground. The group bombed several government buildings, including the Pentagon, killing civilians and police officers.
In 2001, Ayers said he had no regrets for his actions and wished he could have done more.
The ties between Obama and Ayers are tight. Both served on two non profit boards and they worked closely together. Ayers even hosted a political event at his home for Obama.
Obama has acknowledged he is a friend of Ayers and defends his association by saying he, Obama, was only 8 years old at the time of the Pentagon bombing.
However, Obama has no explanation as to why he is still a friend of Ayers.
Obama has even been endorsed by radicals such as Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan.
No one can deny hearing about Obama’s relationship with the America-hating Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
There should be little doubt that William Ayers and Louis Farrakhan and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright are rooting for Obama — because he is one of them.
In keeping with such friends, Obama has promised to meet with radical leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without “preconditions” even though Ahmadinejad has promised to “wipe Israel off the map” and “destroy” America.
Even radical Hamas terrorists have praised him.
“We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election,” Ahmed Yousef, senior Hamas leader was quoted by ABC radio as saying.

[2strokebloke]

What are your thoughts on the situation maximus?

[Maximus84]

I think you should quit manipulating my sig,stop locking threads when you dont like the answer you think I'll respond with,& quit making personal attacks against public info with sources listed,as requested.Follow your own rules. As I stated,I'm not a typer,so posting stuff that closely resembles what I might think is easier. Is that simple enough 4 U?

[Oz]

So you're a pawn in someone else's game and proud of it?

Kind of reminds me of that game, Lemmings.

[Maximus84]

Originally Posted by Oz

So you're a pawn in someone else's game and proud of it?

Kind of reminds me of that game, Lemmings.

What the hells wrong with you?

[KustmAce]

Were you to pay attention to anything, you would realize that damn near all of the propaganda you copy/paste is just that. Its exaggerated and largely untrue.

Also, if you are going to copy/paste, at least post a source, or acknowledge that these are not your thoughts before you paste. Otherwise, its plagiarism.

[2strokebloke]

Originally Posted by Maximus84

I think you should quit manipulating my sig,stop locking threads when you dont like the answer you think I'll respond with,& quit making personal attacks against public info with sources listed,as requested.Follow your own rules. As I stated,I'm not a typer,so posting stuff that closely resembles what I might think is easier. Is that simple enough 4 U?

I've never touched your sig. And I'm fairly certain that it's impossible to make a personal attacks against public information.
However simply copying and pasting fragments of articles doesn't really contribute to discussion, even adding a few of your own comments or thoughts shows that you at least understand what the articles you paste here are even about.
If I wanted to read articles I'd buy a newspaper. This forum is to discuss situations, to promote discourse - it's not here just so people can dump articles and fragments without ever offering or promoting conversation.
You know, if you wanted to not look like you even had a clue as to what's going on in current events, you might even find an article pro-obama and then discuss its faults. Or find a pro anything article. We all know you don't like Obama, you've already posted a dozen articles to prove that point (we get it already) but who do you like? Got an article about somebody you would vote for?

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

What are your thoughts on the situation maximus?

LOL, I nearly busted a gut reading your response Bloke. It was quite succinct.

Originally Posted by Maximus84

As I stated,I'm not a typer,so posting stuff that closely resembles what I might think is easier. Is that simple enough 4 U?

I think he meant “I'm not a thinker”. Simple enough for me.

[-Davo]

I smell the dirty stench of a straw man argument, care to link up these claims?

[BNaylor]

Timeout!

If this member is posting something anyone disagrees with then prove him wrong or do it with a counter argument and credible links or information. This is not a one way street.

Maximus84 you were warned about your posting habits and the content of your posts. Please get your act together.

opcorn:

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

If this member is posting something anyone disagrees with then prove him wrong or do it with a counter argument and credible links or information. This is not a one way street.

But this is part of the issue here; it is next to impossible to prove the negative of typical propaganda. I can claim that McCain is a lying, cheating, evidence hiding collaborator during the Vietnam war and I could challenge you to prove that he isn't.

The thing that I want to make clear is that I am not commenting on whether I support either candidate. The thing I am making a stand against is the type of things he is posting.
By and large, it is propaganda and as I have pointed out, and provided links to, some very similar things can be found about McCain.

On a related note; how biased is abc news?
We get some abc news reports here on 24 hour news channels and they claimed that for the average earning US citizen up to $100,000 (it may have been $150,000) will be paying less tax under the proposed Obama system compared to the McCain system.

[Maximus84]

Originally Posted by ericn1300

LOL, I nearly busted a gut reading your response Bloke. It was quite succinct.



I think he meant “I'm not a thinker”. Simple enough for me.

If you're not polite & respectful enough to just address the issues,& not resort to personal attacks...like the majority of you have done here ...why bother even going to the political area ?

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

But this is part of the issue here; it is next to impossible to prove the negative of typical propaganda. I can claim that McCain is a lying, cheating, evidence hiding collaborator during the Vietnam war and I could challenge you to prove that he isn't.

The thing that I want to make clear is that I am not commenting on whether I support either candidate. The thing I am making a stand against is the type of things he is posting.

By and large, it is propaganda and as I have pointed out, and provided links to, some very similar things can be found about McCain.

On a related note; how biased is abc news?
We get some abc news reports here on 24 hour news channels and they claimed that for the average earning US citizen up to $100,000 (it may have been $150,000) will be paying less tax under the proposed Obama system compared to the McCain system.

It is up to you on what position or stand you desire to take but it doesn't mean it isn't biased or you are 100% correct in your argument. We all have our own bias which is understandable. Other options could be to not weigh-in at all or take a neutral approach but that is up to you. IMO neither tax proposals look all that good to me. But that is just my opinion.

Propaganda?......maybe yes or maybe no. It depends on how you look at it. Remember these are just promises by the candidates that have to become law and codified which means Congress and the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) will be involved in the case of the tax proposals. To make a proper assessment you should look at multiple sources not just ABC if that is all you have to go by. See link below which is from the Washington Post. Is this what you are referring to? From what I see the tax decrease is in favor of McCain for people that make up to at least $150K a year. At $100K it is a toss up slightly in favor of Obama. Also, what these figures do not show especially in the lower brackets is many families that make for example $35K per year or under could pay little, less or no tax. Many qualify for earned income credit and the child credit depending on exemptions and number of children, etc. It is a lot more complex than at face value or if you do not have an understanding of the U.S. tax system.

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals


IMO beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

[drunken monkey]

The link you provide could well be the numbers the ABC news report was talking about. I am aware that you can't take just one source; what is why I asked about any bias ABC has as a news channel. I just happened to mention that report because it was one that I just caught last night so it was fresh in my mind and don't have at hand a point of comparision.

Incidentally, that table also shows that 60% of people pay less tax under Obama's policies compared to McCains and that only the top 1% (more than $600,000 salaries) pay more tax.

As an "average" earner, I have to say that looking at those numbers, Obama's plans do seem more attractive. Except the cynic in me can't help but wonder if this isn't a ploy to court that 60% for votes. It also doesn't take into account capital gains tax and (do you have) inheritance tax?

Right now, my mum's biggest concern is what's going to happen to our assets when she kicks it.

The thing that I'm not 100% on is where both candidates propose to get funds from for their health policies. Both propose something that will without doubt require heavy government funding. Considering that McCain's tax proposals promise cuts in tax AND giving tax rebates relating to buying healthcare, I am left wondering where he is going to get funding from.

I also don't think Obama is aware of how much it costs to run a public health service and without knowing what kind of service he is proposing it is hard to make a judgement on that issue. Quite simply though, it costs a hell of a lot to have an NHS type service.