Audi R10 TDI LeMans 2006 from LMM + SMS

[sportracer02]

Hi,

yesterday I came across the LeManMiniatures website and found this: http://www.lemansminiatures.com/prod...?idproduit=515

The Audi model is developed by LMM and ScaleMotorSport. It is a resin curbside-model for 146,- Euro .

Last week I was in Sinsheim / Germany at a Hobby Show. There I could see the prototype of the Revell Audi R10 2005 http://www.revell.de/de/produkte/mod...RTN=07248&sp=1

I guess, the price will be around 20 Euro and it won´t take long to get some etched parts for this model.

I admit, I am not a Revell Germany fan, but the model plus etched parts may cost 35 to 40 Euro, so why pay 4-5 times more to get a resin model?

I´m looking forward to see and compare both kits, but the LMM model must have golden wheels for that price

[gionc]

I seen it as preview at ABC's stand at Milan Hobby show last week, seem a great stuff.

[klutz_100]

I am the proud owner of a LMM R6-or something.
I bought it at a wonderful roundabout store in Italy ROFL

Morning buddies!

[gionc]

Originally Posted by klutz_100

I am the proud owner of a LMM R6-or something.
I bought it at a wonderful roundabout store in Italy ROFL

Morning buddies!

LOL is a R8 and considering the former owner I advise you to keep unbuilt , you'll ever sell at Christies in 20-30 years for a fortune (ever if he die LOL)

[klutz_100]

Originally Posted by gionc

LOL is a R8 and considering the former owner I advise you to keep unbuilt , you'll ever sell at Christies in 20-30 years for a fortune (ever if he die LOL)

I hope he doesn't see this

[bvia]

1 statement, "You get what you pay for". Folks who'll buy the Revell kit really aren't the customers SMS and LMM are looking for. As an example take a look at the C5R from Revell. Such a great opportunity, but the Revell/Monogram mindset (higher parts count while scale-realism suffers) gave us a kit that when built OOB leaves alot to be desired and looks more like a caricature of the car than the actual racer. Tamiya is best at balancing parts count VS scale-realism for the money, but they aren't going to be touching "the 4 rings" any time soon. For those modellers who know the pleasure of LMM and SMS's products, it'll be a no-brainer.

Bill

[freakmech]

After a little communication with Bill on the subject i came to light that, because this is an SMS/LMM resin kit, there are going to be alot of goodies. Even though the kit is curbside it is probably going to include Templated CF decals. Full PE set to detail the build. Now lets say we buy the revell kit for $25. Then we buy the CF $20. Then we buy the PE set, another $18. Some up graded brakes $15. Wire, plumbing and seat belts, another $20 or so. Were looking to spend some $98 plus or minus to build a well detailed Revell R-10. That doesnt get into the time fixing the ride height, opening the vents, dremeling of the molded in seatbelts and generally correcting the usual Revell short comings. Im starting to think $150 isnt so bad of a price for and acurate replica. Especially when i can spend $25 for the Revell kit and add an engine the SMS. Not to mention, how long is it going to take for all this detail PE and CF to come onto the market for the Revell? Months if not a year to build an accurate reblica out of the Revell. It really depends how you look at it. Ive spent alot of money on resin kits and i assure ive easy spent $150 on a resin kit that was a box full of parts that dont fit, maybe 10 PE pieces and no CF decals. Knowing the quality of SMS, $150 starts looking even better for this must build desiel monster. Yes i will probably build the Revell OOB, but i will have alot more fun super detailing the SMS kit! Thats just me.

[sportracer02]

Hi,

just a link of the Revell kit (that Zoom-Zoom already posted) http://www.deutscher-plastik-modellb...audi/audi.html

The Revell comes with an engine!!

Chad, lets wait and see, how many aftermarket items are offered for the Revell, at the moment your calculation is hypothetical - however, the modeler can decide, which of the offered items he wants to buy and how much money he wants to spend on the model

[bvia]

Originally Posted by freakmech

Im starting to think $150 isnt so bad of a price for and acurate replica. Knowing the quality of SMS, $150 starts looking even better for this must build desiel monster. Yes i will probably build the Revell OOB, but i will have alot more fun super detailing the SMS kit! Thats just me.

Chad,
the R-10 from SMS/LMM will retail for under $90.00...$60.00 less than the Cobra (which IS $150.00)...;-)>

Then again I can't find the e-mail from Matthew stating the price anymore and LMM's site has it listed at a much higher price...hmmm.....

Bill

[bvia]

Originally Posted by sportracer02

Hi,

just a link of the Revell kit (that Zoom-Zoom already posted) http://www.deutscher-plastik-modellb...audi/audi.html

The Revell comes with an engine!!

Chad, lets wait and see, how many aftermarket items are offered for the Revell, at the moment your calculation is hypothetical - however, the modeler can decide, which of the offered items he wants to buy and how much money he wants to spend on the model

Well it's sort-of an engine just as C5R is sort-of an engine. Better than some, but frustrating to those who know what the actual engine looks like (and I'd say that is not too many folks as Audi is pretty secretive when it comes to the under-engine cover of the R-10).

and I totally agree that the market will determine the outcome, but I'd be willing to bet that both are smash hits with different modelers for different reason...I can't wait for the WIPs!!!!...;-)>

Bill

[willimo]

Originally Posted by sportracer02

I admit, I am not a Revell Germany fan, but the model plus etched parts may cost 35 to 40 Euro, so why pay 4-5 times more to get a resin model?

I´m looking forward to see and compare both kits, but the LMM model must have golden wheels for that price

Ho ho ho!

What idiots! They probably didn't know that Revell was making an injected molded model of a car that they no doubt figured would sell well! What fools! They should go back in time and undo it! Or perhaps lower the price so that we won't laugh at them!

It's going to come down to preference like anything else. A great example is the Revell F430 v Fujimi F430. They have similar aftermarket support and the Fujimi kit is of course more expensive and the Revell has a full engine. Between Revell's trademark soft molding and dubious proportions (either incorrect or uncorrected to look right at 1:24); I'd take the Fujimi kit any day. This will no doubt be the case again, just like stated above.

I think it's ridiculous to scoff at the efforts of a model company when they try to release a model. That's a really bad attitude to take. If you're right, and the Revell kit is so freakin' awesome, and everyone buys that one and all the SMS/LMM production ends up sitting in a warehouse unsold, that's going to be a huge financial blow to the companies. I for one am really disappointed that Revell is putting this kit out - it's going to dilute the sales of the same car from a company that I consider a much better friend to the hobbiest and probably make them reluctant to put out more kits in the future. That's is a much greater shame than having not included gold plated wheels or having a price that's three times as much.

146 Euro You're a real clever one for exposing how horrible they are to us! Thanks! Who in their right mind would pay that for a kit?!

Ho ho ho.

You've really hit a chord with me on this one. Really. Wow.

[mikemechanic]

Originally Posted by willimo

Ho ho ho!

What idiots! They probably didn't know that Revell was making an injected molded model of a car that they no doubt figured would sell well!...............................I for one am really disappointed that Revell is putting this kit out - it's going to dilute the sales of the same car from a company that I consider a much better friend to the hobbiest and probably make them reluctant to put out more kits in the future.

Well I am pretty sure that Revell did not know that SMS and LMM were going to collaborate either. I think that this is a kit that all companies know will sell well and be well received to all of us in the hobby. I for one like the car, although we don't see much about it here in Canada, and don't have a completely unlimited budget so the Revell kit will be for me.
I think Bill brings up some great points aswell. I have the C5-R and it is a pretty good rendition of the car. I am not a Corvette lover but I like the look of the C5-R so I bought the Revell kit and SMS photo-etch to make a build-up that I am satisfied with.
I guess it all boils down to our personal tastes and opinions.

Mike.

[freakmech]

Originally Posted by bvia

Chad,
the R-10 from SMS/LMM will retail for under $90.00...$60.00 less than the Cobra (which IS $150.00)...;-)>

Then again I can't find the e-mail from Matthew stating the price anymore and LMM's site has it listed at a much higher price...hmmm.....

Bill

Well Bill, like you, Im getting conflicting info on what the price will be for the SMS kit. Im using $150 because thats the norm for a decent resin kit. Now for $90 bucks i think it will be a steal. Speedline/Quikskins put out some great kits for $80-$90 but they are a bit lacking in detail. With what i expect from the SMS kit, i think it will be hard to release for under $100. But lets wait and see, and hope for the best.

Willimo, youve been a cynical bastard these days LOL. Maybe we need to take a small AF break and wittle down our fingers on some kits and not the keyboard. Youve made me laugh though....

[willimo]

I probably did react a bit much there. But when everyone moans about no new kits - what sense does it make to moan about two of the same? Thank goodness that someone is listening to us and making cars that we want to build. Thank double goodness that two are doing so! I think it's fantastic that SMS is getting into the resin business; their PE and decal sets have been fantastic and if we can expect the same from their kits great! So I see no reason why anyone should call them out for making a resin kit that costs so much more than a plastic one - that's just how it goes. Just be glad they are doing it at all!

[freakmech]

Originally Posted by willimo

I probably did react a bit much there. But when everyone moans about no new kits - what sense does it make to moan about two of the same? Thank goodness that someone is listening to us and making cars that we want to build. Thank double goodness that two are doing so! I think it's fantastic that SMS is getting into the resin business; their PE and decal sets have been fantastic and if we can expect the same from their kits great! So I see no reason why anyone should call them out for making a resin kit that costs so much more than a plastic one - that's just how it goes. Just be glad they are doing it at all!

Amen brother! I agree with you on all counts, all these people that complain about kits should try scratchbuilding an R10 or 430. Then tell us how bad the new kits are.... Whats that? not a bad kit after all you say? hmmm, interesting.... LOL