My problem must be clucth slippage...

[AbsoluteGTR]

Alright, I have had this problem since I bought the car, and I feel that it must be clutch slippage.

My symptoms are pretty severe:

1. If I give the car any perectage of throttle, the RPM will rise as the speed ever so slowly inreases.

2. At WOT, in first gear, the RPM's will skyrocket and it takes me about 6 seconds to get to 40 mph, seriously.

3. If I launch the car it will throw me back in my seat, but immediatly falls on its face (sort of like fuel cut, but not fuel-cut and the RPMS will skyrocket.

4. In fifth gear at 60mph, just cruising, my RPM's will be at about 3.5K. Highly doubt it should be like that. Also, If I keep my foot at a specific "percentage" of throttle and dont pay attention to my speed I will slow down.

I have a feeling that it MUST be clutch slippage, because at 3500 RPM I am fully spooled and am at ~15psi. Its sucks to have the car like this ever since I bought it, because I still havent felt what my DSM is capable of. It just doesnt pull hard.

I have a digital camera that can take videos, I will try to tape me driving tomorrow, so ya'll can see what i am talking about.

Anyways, my questions are, does this sound like clutch slippage? And, how hard is it to change the clutch myself? Its not that I dont think I can do it, its just that all I have are basic handtools...do you need anything special to change out a clutch?

Also, if I do decide to change out the clucth, it will probably be cheaper to just put in an OEM replacement...

BTW, I have already read the guide on vfaq about clucth replacement...doesnt seem TOO difficult, just need some support from you guys!

Thanks

[L-Spec]

When my clutch was slipping, I had the same symptoms, except it would grab and throw me back at all. It just felt gutless. To make sure it was slipping (and give myself a for sure reason to get a racing clutch), I launched in fifth gear and by the smell of it, I certainly had a slipping clutch. Make sure you replace the throw out bearing while you're in there, it'll save you stress in the long run.

Not recomemnded, but if you want to make sure, cruise at a low RPM and then give it gas, it should steadily rise until boost kicks in. If it rises faster than usual, then it's pretty much a tell-tale sign of slippage. I'm drunk.

[Blackcrow64]

It does sound like clutch slippage to me. Thats what my old OEM clutch used to do. Once I replaced it with my new one I never had that problem again.

As for doing it yourself... As long as you have a jack, some blocks or jackstands so you can get under the car then you should be good to go. I think I had my tranny out without any other tools besides hand tools... Well, I had to use the air ratchet on a few motor mount bolts but other than that you should be good to go. lol

It might almost be cheaper to buy an aftermarket clutch than another OEM one. For some dumb reason, most OEM parts have ridiculous prices.

[scottsee]

Time for a new clutch.. Thats deff a warn down pressure plate..

[AbsoluteGTR]

I was kind of dreading to hear this, but I am also kind of excited to perform such a daunting task, lol.

So what parts will I need to replace? Clutch plate? Flywheel? Pressure plate?What else?

Also what kind of clutch should i get? Do they sell a kit that includes everything to perform a full clutch job?

Thanks again!

[scottsee]

judging by the house in the background of your sig you are not poor...

Stock flywheel with the correct step height. And a simple 2100 or Exedy stage 1 should be fine for anything between stock and +25%. Anything between 26% and 75% increased output you should look into a 2600 or Exedy stage 2.

Use OEM throw out bearings only. Clutch forks are clutch forks. You might want an extended slave rod for peddle adjustments. Might as well get some $30 SS clutch lines..

[L-Spec]

Honestly, it would be a good idea to replace the whole thing, but you don't have to. The clutch is obvious, but the pressure plate would be a very good idea, but not always important, especially for a daily driver. The flywheel I would leave alone unless you plan on changing it out on the future. Again, do yourself a favour and replace the throw out bearing. I got mine for $50.

[AbsoluteGTR]

Originally Posted by scottsee

judging by the house in the background of your sig you are not poor...

Not to sure what you mean by this, I live with my parents, but where are you going with this?

Anyways, If I keep the stock flywheel and pressure plate all I need is the clutch plate, correct?

And yes, i will change out the clutch forks and throw out bearing.

[defiancy]

Originally Posted by AbsoluteGTR

Anyways, If I keep the stock flywheel and pressure plate all I need is the clutch plate, correct?

And yes, i will change out the clutch forks and throw out bearing.

If you buy a clutch kit off of SBR or whatever it will come with a new clutch and pressure plate.

I have an ACT2600 I bought off another member here. And when he bought the kit it came with the clutch, pressure plate and new throw out bearing.

[Thor06]

Are you going to use it Wil? If not I may have a new home for it... On that third (and last) day I had it running, I finally figured out why it wasnt running right. So I got it running right and running ~16 pounds of boost and took 3 lauches. A 4k slipping the clutch out, a ~4.5k dumping it pretty hard, and a fuckin 5.5k hard dump. It bogged on the first two, but that last on it didnt and I was super suprised by it. I got to the middle of 3rd gear and had to lock em up to make the stop sign. Once there were suddenly could smell this nasty burning smell. I thought because I didnt bog I just got all the tires to spin good. Nope, that was the clutch burning up. A couple blocks later me and my two buddies figured it out and we pussy footed it back to one of their houses. We could see the smoke coming out and we were like, whoa shit, that wasnt good. Smoke was basically pouring out of the little rubber vent deally on the bell housing. So yeah, its time for a new clutch for Thor .

TOB's are only $20 on extreme PSI.

[defiancy]

Originally Posted by Thor06

Are you going to use it Wil? If not I may have a new home for it... On that third (and last) day I had it running, I finally figured out why it wasnt running right. So I got it running right and running ~16 pounds of boost and took 3 lauches. A 4k slipping the clutch out, a ~4.5k dumping it pretty hard, and a fuckin 5.5k hard dump. It bogged on the first two, but that last on it didnt and I was super suprised by it. I got to the middle of 3rd gear and had to lock em up to make the stop sign. Once there were suddenly could smell this nasty burning smell. I thought because I didnt bog I just got all the tires to spin good. Nope, that was the clutch burning up. A couple blocks later me and my two buddies figured it out and we pussy footed it back to one of their houses. We could see the smoke coming out and we were like, whoa shit, that wasnt good. Smoke was basically pouring out of the little rubber vent deally on the bell housing. So yeah, its time for a new clutch for Thor .

TOB's are only $20 on extreme PSI.

Well, I'm about to pull the motor out of my car and sell it. So I can sell you the clutch then,(I only put less than 50 miles on it) I am not sure however when the motor is coming out.

[Thor06]

Good deal. Is it the 6 puck? If not would you consider just selling the PP? Are you parting her or what?

AbsoluteGTR: Changing clutches is a PITA in an AWD. Theres a couple different ways I've heard of it getting done, either A) dropping the tranny or B) pulling the whole motor and tranny which I hear is easiest. Since I am going to have to make one engine of two, I am just going to do it while they are out.

[jameyamanda]

yep needs new clutch not thar hard to change new clutch feels nice thou

[AbsoluteGTR]

Originally Posted by Thor06

AbsoluteGTR: Changing clutches is a PITA in an AWD. Theres a couple different ways I've heard of it getting done, either A) dropping the tranny or B) pulling the whole motor and tranny which I hear is easiest. Since I am going to have to make one engine of two, I am just going to do it while they are out.

Pulling the motor, no thanks, lol.

I have read all over vfaq and tuners and they have threads in which they pull out the tranny. To tell you the truth dropping the tranny seems fairly easy, A little too easy actually.....
The only part I am skeptical about though is when you have to disconnect the drivers and passengers side axles. I am reading more about this part of the procedure, though.

Honestly as of now, I am trying to sell my car with the slipping clutch (ofcourse I tell prospective buyers this, so i have dropped my price...from $3500 obo to $2500 firm.) Anyways I feel that this a better choice for both seller and buyer, because the buyer will probably want to put in an aftermarket, maybe heavier duty clucth. I have one more week in autotrader, if I cant sell then I will just fix the clutch and TRY to sell again, lol.

Anyways, and body else have any advice/tips?

Thanks.

[defiancy]

Originally Posted by Thor06

Good deal. Is it the 6 puck? If not would you consider just selling the PP? Are you parting her or what?

AbsoluteGTR: Changing clutches is a PITA in an AWD. Theres a couple different ways I've heard of it getting done, either A) dropping the tranny or B) pulling the whole motor and tranny which I hear is easiest. Since I am going to have to make one engine of two, I am just going to do it while they are out.

It's not a 6-puck. But I would give it to you for pretty cheap.


I'm not really parting the car out because there isn't much on the car to part out. I'm just going to be selling the motor and the tranny probably.

I pretty much already have a 90 awd talon tsi lined up with a built motor, that is basicly like my car is now but it actually runs.

My car just has to many electrical problems. Better to just sell the motor to someone who could use it.



Also, the best way to change the clutch and pull the tranny would be out of the right side. You will have to pull apart the right front suspension, but once you have that out of the way you pretty much unbolt everything and pull the tranny off. It will take probably 4-6 hours to take it off if you take your time, and maybe 2-4 to put it back together depending on your work ethic.

It's not really a bad job, just time consuming.