4ws prelude to crx

[blight]

some if not all 87 up preludes had 4ws ( 4 wheel steering)

has it ever been swaped into a crx?

is it even possible?

is it even worth it?

the prelude was the best handling car in 1987 in the slalom at 65.5 MPH better tehn teh vette at 64.1 mph. BECAUSE of the 4ws from my understanding.... or would it be more worth it to just invest in some REALLY kick arse suspension.

Looking at autocrossing a crx.

[FrodoGT]

The prelude an crx are so different its not even funny, I would say possible, but would cost more than a new car....a new new car....the prelude is a MUCH bigger car, without serious aftermarket help and major tuning it would never handle right, 4ws or not. You'd be less off-your-rocker to suggest putting the civic 4wd under a crx...and from my understanding, the 88 crx (or maybe just civic) had passive rear steering or something...that was removed in later years because of complaints of twitchyness...or is this just an urban legend thats been spread?

[turtlecrxsi]

Originally Posted by FrodoGT

The prelude an crx are so different its not even funny, I would say possible, but would cost more than a new car....a new new car....the prelude is a MUCH bigger car, without serious aftermarket help and major tuning it would never handle right, 4ws or not. You'd be less off-your-rocker to suggest putting the civic 4wd under a crx...and from my understanding, the 88 crx (or maybe just civic) had passive rear steering or something...that was removed in later years because of complaints of twitchyness...or is this just an urban legend thats been spread?

88 crx and civic did have passive rear steering like jdm type r model... was discontinued due to "twitchiness."

[blight]

what is ment by "twitchyness" anyhow? is it jsut that soccer mom that doesn't knwo how to drive anything but a van or was an actual problem?

[turtlecrxsi]

It means that when you turn there is a slight drift feeling and it scares people. Hell, I drift all the time because my 14s just can't grip hard enough at decent speed. I've gotten used to it, but I try to slow down these days cuz my suspension sucks. If I had an 88 maybe it would handle the corners better. Anyway, autoxers love the 88 for this reason.

[FrodoGT]

It was supposed to make it more agile, probably meant that most people didnt like the way it would steer more quickly than the input they gave the wheel, or because it would steer sharper than they liked..

[blight]

so it was a bunch of pussy grocercy getters like a ithought figures- damn consumers guid. "oh it is a hard road feeling" gee guys maybe thats cause the suspension is stiff and made for cornering rather then cushy wooshy lets play with our barbie dolls and lets hope to god our 6 year old in our econo box that weighs a friggen onyl 2 tons won't die in a car crash with a friggen semi.....

sorry a little rant about the comon folk- i like hard suspseion i own a fiero and it is more comfortable then my gmc plushy pussy wussy van to me... i don't like the feel of body sway....its eitehr that or i drive too fast but eitehr way....hmm ranting again.... i swear i'll stop.... sooner or later....

[FrodoGT]

Body roll scares me....I hate ridingin my friends jeep cherokee, but he cant drive either..thinks all corners are supposed to be right angles! I dont like driving it either though...

[johnb16a2]

Originally Posted by blight

so it was a bunch of pussy grocercy getters like a ithought figures- damn consumers guid. "oh it is a hard road feeling" gee guys maybe thats cause the suspension is stiff and made for cornering rather then cushy wooshy lets play with our barbie dolls and lets hope to god our 6 year old in our econo box that weighs a friggen onyl 2 tons won't die in a car crash with a friggen semi.....

sorry a little rant about the comon folk- i like hard suspseion i own a fiero and it is more comfortable then my gmc plushy pussy wussy van to me... i don't like the feel of body sway....its eitehr that or i drive too fast but eitehr way....hmm ranting again.... i swear i'll stop.... sooner or later....

Your rants make me happy!

[Smoghog]

Originally Posted by johnb16a2

Your rants make me happy!

Plushy pussy wussy Ha Ha Ha! 2000 Toy Tacoma 4x4. Right off the showroom and to the shock installer. No way I was going to drive it like that.I swear I had to panic stop and I thought the rear was off the ground Mushy wushY


And can anyone bring us up to date on the rear steer 88 crx(Don't mean to hi-jack.)
What does it include?
Does it include the Si (I don't see anything that would allow the rear wheels to pivot on mine)

[cpolaris502]

yeah, can you give us some more info on that passive steering on the 88's. I have one too.

[FrodoGT]

Found this on another board...Makes sense, almost like reactive caster on cars...

I dont want to disrupt everyones trip down memory lane, but since lots of ppl are reading this, i thought id clear the air about the 88 rear suspension.

Its true that the 88 rear lower control arm was unique in the US and shared only with the Integra Type R which is nearly identical. Its nothing similar to the NSX. It is however the same in nearly all civic and integra models from 1988-2000 sold in Japan. For some quirky reason, the civics and integras except as noted sold in the US had the cast lower control arm. What can be sure is that the difference in control arms offers no tangible difference in handling and performance. The geometry of the arm is identical and size of bushings are nearly the same between different arms.

Part of the lore of the CRX is that the 88 year had different handling and was changed for later years, which is then attributed to the change in the rear lower control arm. This actually is true, but not because of the lower control arm. It is the placement of the rear compensator arm (toe arm) to the chassis that was adjusted in years after 88. This change causes the dynamic toe change in the rear suspension to be less pronounced throughout the wheels vertical travel, making it less "twitchy", especially during hard braking. Some call it "passive rear steering", but all Honda's have it to some degree, front and rear. Its just part of how honda designs their suspension. Honda simply retuned it after feedback from racing experience here in the US and perhaps customers. But because the change was made to the chassis, it cannot be changed by switching parts between model years without rewelding the bracket the bushing bolts to on the chassis.

[Smoghog]

Originally Posted by FrodoGT

Found this on another board...Makes sense, almost like reactive caster on cars...

Got it. The suspension flex's, and the angle gives simulated steer Hmmm. COOL I know it corners but now I know why!

Thanks Frodo
It is cool learning about what designs went into your car. And what makes it different.

[blight]

cool thanx lots - i supose i should have replied in this thread a long while ago though....

so 88' crx is the best

anyhow now that- that is all solved. how the heck are you guys find ing these crx's for like 400 bucks? i mean the ones i got around MN either are rusted to hell (and i mean HELL) or they are like 4 grand!

[cpolaris502]

Originally Posted by blight

cool thanx lots - i supose i should have replied in this thread a long while ago though....

so 88' crx is the best

anyhow now that- that is all solved. how the heck are you guys find ing these crx's for like 400 bucks? i mean the ones i got around MN either are rusted to hell (and i mean HELL) or they are like 4 grand!

haha, im in MN too, i got mine from my neighbor for 150 bucks, and of couse VERY RUSTED, runs good though with 241,000. I really wish i could find a nicer one for a good price.