Tell me if it is true

[NvrLuVD]

My friend said he have seen a Lamborghini Murcielago Colour Black.
And it is not a R-GT.

but the problemn is that, he said it has a V16.
So I said "Nah, your lying~"
then he said "Bro~ I asked the driver"

I do not believe him, but is it true?

And he was also saying that
Murcielago R-GT has a 23 Inch wheels and 19 Inch Brembo brakes.
Is that also true or is he just trying to be a smart ass.

I think he is just lying~~

Tell me you guys...

[V12Unleash]

I guess you can do anything to anything as long as you have money, so, never say never........

but as far as a Lamborghini Mucielago, the factory never produced a car like that.

so i dare to conclude that your friend have some wild imaginations!

[TexasF355F1]

23's would never fit, not to mention it would look extremely stupid. 19" brakes....No. Never. V16, NO...never.

It wouldn't be impossible to see a black Murcielago. Not to mention the Murcielago GT-R is not streetable.

[Lamboholic]

It would be pointless aswell. More cilinders would slow the car down. In fact 12cilinders is already to much.

[Sean]

I'll believe it when I see it. 23 inch rims are far to big for this car. They could be installed, provided extreamly low profile tyres are used and the fender is replaced to allow for the increased size. Not to mention all the other changes that would have to be made to accomodate this rim.

It sounds to me like the drivers ego was larger than what the car could provide.

Originally Posted by Lamboholic

It would be pointless aswell. More cilinders would slow the car down. In fact 12cilinders is already to much.

Stroke length is a larger factor in engine speeds than the number of cylinders. I don't understand why you think 12 is too much.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by Lamboholic

It would be pointless aswell. More cilinders would slow the car down. In fact 12cilinders is already to much.

As Sean said, that doesn't make any sense.

[NvrLuVD]

Originally Posted by Lamboholic

It would be pointless aswell. More cilinders would slow the car down. In fact 12cilinders is already to much.

Well I think I agree with Lamboholic.

You see, Cuz of V12, Lamborghini Murcielago weights over 1800kg.
And it already has almost perfect balance.

But if you put V16, That will totally destroys the "Almost Perfect" Balance, ey??

And it WILL slows down the Murcielago on curves.

I think he means that

[V12Unleash]

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

Well I think I agree with Lamboholic.
You see, Cuz of V12, Lamborghini Murcielago weights over 1800kg.

No it doesn't!

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

And it already has almost perfect balance.

No it doesn't

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

But if you put V16, That will totally destroys the "Almost Perfect" Balance, ey??

there is no such thing as a V16, even if they do. they will engineer the car to have the so called "Almost Perfect" balance

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

And it WILL slows down the Murcielago on curves.

well until they put a v16 in a murcielago, we'll never know

[V12Unleash]

go do some reasearch about lamborghini before making a comment about it.

but yes i do aggree, if you put a Toyota Corolla 4 cyclinder in a Murcielago, it will be lighter and will acheive the 50:50 balance, why didn't the engineers at Lamborghini think of that?

for christ sake.......

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by V12Unleash

go do some reasearch about lamborghini before making a comment about it.

but yes i do aggree, if you put a Toyota Corolla 4 cyclinder in a Murcielago, it will be lighter and will acheive the 50:50 balance, why didn't the engineers at Lamborghini think of that?

for christ sake.......

HAHA. Threads like this are why the Lambo section has gone down hill. Since when was it so hard to use common sense?

[NvrLuVD]

Originally Posted by V12Unleash

go do some reasearch about lamborghini before making a comment about it....
for christ sake.......

Hmmm. I'm sorry but you are sadly mistaken.
There IS a such a thing called V16.

Caddilac made two (the Old and the New)
also Cizeta uses V16 aswell (Cizeta V16T)
and some more that I barely know...

Well then, Can you please tell me this if you think you know alot about cars...

So there is a thing called V16 Right?
If they could put it and engineer it to make Almost Perfect balance...
Why did they didn't do it?
No... Lets get back...

Did you know that there is a Lamborghini Diablo SVTT and VTTT?
do you know what they are?
If you know, they both have Twin-Turbo (thats what TT stands for).
And it is not tuned by other brand but specially created by Lamborghini.

So... Lamborghini could Put Twin-Turbo on Murcielago. Right?
But why did they not do it?

OR they could Put Quad-Turbo like Bugatti Veyron...
Also change it to W16.
If that destroyes the "Balance", why don't they engineer it??
And also if they did, That will have too much drag... ey?
So, Lamborghini can engineer it to make less drag... right?
But why did they not do it?

Lets have a look at Porsche Carrera GT.
It has V10.
They could have put V12 instead like other supercars...
But why didn't they do it??
If THAT make's the vehicle heavy...
Porsche could engineer it to make it lighter
(By making the V12 All-Aluminium)
But why did they not do it???

My friend (HSV engineer) has aggreed with my post above.
And laughing at your Reply...

And I "All-In" that he Know about cars better that your ass.

[Rod59]

Who cares

[V12Unleash]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah, i am laughing my ass off here............ and i urge everyone to have a look at this.... honestly!!!

Finally something really fun to talk about... and alright i'll play along...

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

Hmmm. I'm sorry but you are sadly mistaken.

hahaha, you don't have to be sorry.....

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

Did you know that there is a Lamborghini Diablo SVTT and VTTT?
do you know what they are?

yes i do

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

If you know, they both have Twin-Turbo (thats what TT stands for).
And it is not tuned by other brand but specially created by Lamborghini.

you dumb ass, They won't built by Lamborghini SpA Italy, they were specially tuned by Platinum Motors in USA!

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

If that destroyes the "Balance", why don't they engineer it??
And also if they did, That will have too much drag... ey?
So, Lamborghini can engineer it to make less drag... right?
But why did they not do it?

so if they had it twin turboed, somehow they'll have more drag? wtf, you know what drag is?

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

Lets have a look at Porsche Carrera GT.
It has V10.
They could have put V12 instead like other supercars...
But why didn't they do it??

Porshce Carrera GT's v10 was designed, built and for their homolegen Le Man GT race car code name LMP2000. the engine wasn't especailly designed for the Carrera GT!

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

If THAT make's the vehicle heavy...
Porsche could engineer it to make it lighter
(By making the V12 All-Aluminium)
But why did they not do it???

almost all modern supercar's engine are built from all-alloy aluminim composite heads and etc, only the dumb ass holdens still use iron block push rod!

Shit, even Ford's got variable vale timing on their V8s.

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

My friend (HSV engineer) has aggreed with my post above.
And laughing at your Reply...

hahaha, i don't think Peter Hannenburger will be too happy when he sees this post.

No wonder HSV been losing so badly for two years straight in V8 supercars! now i know why, coz your dumb ass engineer friend working for them.

Originally Posted by NvrLuVD

And I "All-In" that he Know about cars better that your ass.

sure thing mate, you just embarrssed the shit out of your self on this forum, go change your nick name so we don't know who you are next time!!

coz you are so funny........ best post for a long time, do you agree TexasF355F1

[V12Unleash]

don't blame you mate.....

like i said, do your research right before you post anything!

[Lamboholic]

I didn't want to create a post fight over here because I don't think it would make any sense to start blaming eveyone here for not making sense.

The question is why does lamborghini use the big V12?

Well you have to know a little about their racing experience to start with. As some of you may know they don't race cars any more. Actually they never really did. The biggest racing experience they really have is powerboating, because Lamborghini delivers the engines for these twin engine powered offshore raceboats. The boats who race with them usually win the race. http://www.class-1.com/
Secondly Lamborghini wants the engine to be much more important then the actual car itselve. The cars may look stunning, but lamborghini doesn't care too much about that. Lamborghini produces engines with extreme high performance at any rev range, the engines are designed for very high stress loads and can do much more with less HP. They want a very efficient engine just like a powerboat engine. For example a F1 racing engine puts out about 900HP, and the powerboat engine puts out about 960HP. On paper it may look simulair but if you switch two F1 engines in to an offshore cat it wouldn't go forward at all. And otherwise the powerboat engine would completely distroy a F1 racecar from the moment you flour the throttle.
Why?? Well a powerboat engine can deliver about 93% from the max power continuesly and a F1 car puts out 45%-50%max (The powerboat delivers much more torque at any rpm).
Lamborghini was never keen on turbo's or turbochargers these blowers where like the viagra for car engines and Lamborghini wanted to proof they wouldn't need them.

The V12 has always bin the ultimate and if Ferrari was using them they simply couldn't go for less. It's all about the sound, the size and the direct link to offshore later on. For car engerineers who like corners it's a nightmare, the point of gravity lies either to much forward, or to much backward and a big engine requires a big gearbox aswell.
A V16 wouldn't fit, would be even havier and also would have to much friction insite, maintance wouldn't be affordable and reliabillitity would truelly become an issue. It's much easier to tune the already existing engines to a higher performance and/or simply by losing wheight.

About the carrera GT which should be a LM race car but is changed to be street legal, is a real performance car designed to corner well. The engineers didn't choose the V10 for fun. This would allow the revs to climb because of the lower friction, creating a higher peak power. Also the improved point of gravity and a lighter engine would perform a lot better on the track.