new to the forums. I have a few Q's...

[tainted_demon]

Hey, I'm new to the forums obviously, I know a decent ammount about cars (I took 4 years of mechanics in High School) but not in depth specialties of them, Honda / Acura being what I'd like to know better.
I was looking here and here and it seems the b18a / b18b is a good engine. I could probably find one at the local auto wreckers thats in decent condition, and work on it until I get the car I'd put it in.

I'm just wondering:
What cars would this fit in? I don't really like the styling of the Integra but I could learn to like it (I don't like the headlight design). I was looking at a Civic / Accord, non-hatchback.

I'm also looking for how to identify which engine it is, I'm guessing it's on the block somewhere?

Comparing b18a/b to b18c I see a decent gain in HP on the b18c, is there any reason the a/b is better over the c? Easier parts to get, ect?

I'd like to have a car with a nice engine, something I can work on by myself and throw some money at to have a nice ride. I'd probably look at a turbo within 2 years, 4cyl greatly preferred (my car is a inline 6cyl thats a beast to drive).

Also, is the design for connecting a standard tran. to a auto tran. the same? Just bolt on and go? I know there is a clutch on the standard tran but I don't know how it comes into play.

And last of all, SOHC vs DOHC, VTEC vs non-VTEC? I know this is a topic on it's own but I'd like to just have a quick answer. Or a link to something on the forums.

Thanks,
Colin


*To mods, if this is in the wrong spot please move. I believe this is more related to Integera's engine then anything else.

//edit. Or would a b16a be more viable?

[superbluecivicsi]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=878010

[tainted_demon]

Thanks, that helped out a lot.
I also found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

Also, what the difference between GS-R, Type-R and a 'regular' Integera (if there actually is a 'regular' Integera)?

[TurboGSR96]

Tainted.....if you dont like the Integra headlight but you do like the Accord's....Then the Japan Spec front end for the Integra is for you. Any engine from a Civic/Prelude/Integra/Accord is interchangeable.

"Also, what the difference between GS-R, Type-R and a 'regular' Integera (if there actually is a 'regular' Integera)?"

Everything, the Integra Type-R is arguably the best handeling most complete FWD car ever built period. The suspension/engine/transmission/interior are all different than that of a Type-R. If you look abouve you will see a fucked up Type-R (lol). The engines are hand assembled using lightweight parts for a higher redline (8400 RPM). Even though it only has 25 more horsepower, you could put every bolt on possible on a GSR and not achieve the performance of the Type-R. Both the GSR and Type-R have a DOHC VTEC engine and the regular Integra LS/RS's are not VTEC. Base Hp is 140/ GSR 175/ Type-R 200 (and is lighter). A imple net search will further elaborate any questions you might have.

[kicker1_solo]

The B18a, b, and c are all the same when swapping into a car as far as what they will fit into. They are a direct swap into all integras and a fairly simple swap into civics and CRXs. Swapping a B series into an accord isn't done very often. If you do get an accord, look at the H series motors, such as the H22 (VTEC prelude motor). I would stay away from the B18a if you could help it. Go after a B18c motor first (they are the most expensive) and if you can't do that then look at the B18b motor.

To identify what motor it is look for the stamp on the block. See pic below, circled in red.


As far as finding parts for the three motors, the B and C will be much easier to modify than the A. But as far as the B and C are concerned, parts are everywhere. So if you do get a B18B, don't worry, you'll find plenty of parts for it because most of them are interchangeable with the C anyways.

If you're planning on going turbo I would personally get the B18b if I were you. The b doesn't have vtec but you can take the head off of a b18c or B16 and bolt it onto the b18b (called ls/vtec). That's the route I would go if going turbo, ls/vtec.

For the transmission, you can do auto or manual, but try to go manual if you can. When it comes to integras I personally see more manuals than autos so that's probably what you'll find. You can also get an upgraded clutch When getting a car, try to find one that is manual too, so that way you don't have to change over all of the pedals, shifter, guage cluster, and all that other fun stuff that comes with it.

SOHC, DOHC. Single OverHead Cam and Dual OverHead Cam. One cam, or two. Two is better, I'll just leave it at that.
non-VTEC, VTEC. VTEC is a boost of power at a little over 5,000 RPMs. It's basically like hitting a tiny shot of nitrous. (read up on it, there's thousands of threads) So VTEC is better, it gives you the top end power and a higher redline.

None of that probably makes sense, I just got home from a long day of work lol

[tainted_demon]

Thanks a lot! The last 2 posts were great and yes I did understand most of it .

So let me get this straight... if I don't get a VTEC motor (such as a b18b) and put on a b18c / b16 head, I would then have a VTEC engine? From what I read in your post, thats how I interpreted it.
What kind of HP gain would I be looking at with the new head on there?

Wikipedia says:

B18B1

• Non-VTEC
• Found in:
  • 1994-2001 Integra GS/LS/RS (DC)
• Displacement: 1834 cm3
• Compression: 9.2:1
• Power: 142 hp (106 kW) @ 6300 rpm & 128 ft·lbf (172 N·m) @ 5200 rpm
• Transmission: S80,Y80

[edit]

B18C

• VTEC
• Found in:
  • 1994 Honda Integra SiR-G
  • 1995-1997 Honda Integra SiR
• Power: 172 hp (128 kW)
  • 1997-2001 Honda Integra (Japan) Type R
• Power: 195 hp @ 8100 rpm

which shows 146HP vs 172HP with the difference of the VTEC on the eninges. There is probably more then just that but a rough HP gain would be nice.

I'd definatly go with a manual trany since I drive auto now and I don't much like it, less control with it. Whats the difference from the stock clutch vs. the upgraded one?

What years were the Type-R made in?

TurboGSR96, when you talk about the GS-R not being nearly as good as the Type-R engine, what engine models are you referring to?

Thanks, for the pic too kicker1_solo there is so much room it seems to beg for a turbo .

Thanks all again,
-Colin

[TurboGSR96]

The B18C1 is the engine code for the GSR
B18C5 is the code for the R

VTEC has nothing to do with the block of the engine, It is all in the head and valvetrain, basically it is a second set of lobes on the camshaft that start working at a set rpm to give the head a higher lift/longer duration for higher performance. the B18B is a non-vtec engine (LS) if you take the head off of a VTEC engine and put it on the LS engine you will have a VTEC engine now, but your engine size went up due to the larger displacement bottom end of the LS, its a win win situation. Obviously the VTEC is a DOHC engine is going to be more powerful than the VTEC engagement of a SOHC engine.

[iVteC_PoWeR]

theres actually a lot more involved in making a ls/vtec than slapping on the head...must be PROPERLY built...if you have the money my advice is to go with the gsr swap and boost the beast...i think youll be very happy with that setup

[kicker1_solo]

Originally Posted by tainted_demon

Thanks, for the pic too kicker1_solo there is so much room it seems to beg for a turbo .

yeah, that's my integra. It's a 90 with a 98 B18C1, love the vtec. And there's also a lot of room because I removed the A/C, power steering, cruise control, and many other things.

[tainted_demon]

Originally Posted by kicker1_solo

yeah, that's my integra. It's a 90 with a 98 B18C1, love the vtec. And there's also a lot of room because I removed the A/C, power steering, cruise control, and many other things.

Looks nice! Any reason you took off the power steering? Just didn't want the few extra HP lost to it?

[iVteC_PoWeR]

Is there any extra hp lost due to power steering? I actually feel more control of the car without p/s so i like that better even if i have to turn the wheel like hell when the cars not moving

[travis712]

Wow your the coolest noob i've ever seen on here.

Most of them are like..

waht shud i do to beet mye frends dodge neon?!

Goodluck with the Honda thing, seems like this place is great for any info you would ever need.

[tainted_demon]

Originally Posted by iVteC_PoWeR

Is there any extra hp lost due to power steering? I actually feel more control of the car without p/s so i like that better even if i have to turn the wheel like hell when the cars not moving

I would suspect so, since the engine has to run a pump. It's a small pump so I don't know what kinda of loss you might get, even if any. I'd say no more then 5HP?

Originally Posted by travis712

Wow your the coolest noob i've ever seen on here.

Most of them are like..

waht shud i do to beet mye frends dodge neon?!

Goodluck with the Honda thing, seems like this place is great for any info you would ever need.

Yeah I've learned quite a lot in the last 2 days. This is a great site.


/edit
This is a nice car, and since it's at a dealer they might go as low as 12k, BTW these are Canadian prices.
http://driving.canada.com/buy/used/d...y?carid=652427
I think it's a B18B engine, and the redline looks like it's around 7200ish. Now only if I had the money .

[nu-b94teg]

that's way too much money for that car. kelly blue book values it at about $8000.00. I wouldn't pay more than 7k

[kicker1_solo]

yeah, that puts it at about $12,200 USD, which is twice what it's worth. Keep looking my friend...