Frozen wheel nuts

[Experianced2]

The wheel nuts on my 2006 Chrysler 300C were impossible to get off today.

They were the rear ones that had not been off for 6 years or so.

I broke a Snap On wrench tying to get the first one off. I view the problem just as some corrosion on the threads.

If I had a flat there is no way I could have changed it on the road. The tire has a slow leak and I found a nail in the tread.

Thus I removed them from all the wheels, oiled them and put them back.

[jamesslcx]

I usually smear a little anti-seize on the threads. It is a good thing it didn't leave you on the side of the road somewhere.

[polarzak]

Everything I have ever read, states do not put oil (or anything for that matter) on wheel studs. A simple solution is to rotate your wheels every now and then and the studs won't rust up. Plus your tires will last longer. Geeeez, wheels on for 6 years...I hope that isn't indicative on how you maintain your entire car.

[Experianced]

Originally Posted by polarzak

Everything I have ever read, states do not put oil (or anything for that matter) on wheel studs. A simple solution is to rotate your wheels every now and then and the studs won't rust up. Plus your tires will last longer. Geeeez, wheels on for 6 years...I hope that isn't indicative on how you maintain your entire car.

polarzak,

Please provide a link to what you have read about lubricant on wheel studs.

Thank you

I got a nail in that tire and I took it off to remove the nail and plug the hole.

I lubed all of the wheel studs with oil.

[jdl]

I found this in automotive database, says not to use oil on threads. I try to always use a torque wrench to tighten lug nuts. I realize if you have a flat out in the middle of no where, you probable don't have a torques wrench with you. You can check the torque when you get home.

A lot of libraries carry automotive databases, one of the databases you can access from the your home computer. If you live in an area the library serves, the access is free. If you live outside the serving area, you can buy access for a small yearly fee. You will have access to every year--make-- model that the database covers.

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[Experianced]

Originally Posted by polarzak

Everything I have ever read, states do not put oil (or anything for that matter) on wheel studs. A simple solution is to rotate your wheels every now and then and the studs won't rust up. Plus your tires will last longer. Geeeez, wheels on for 6 years...I hope that isn't indicative on how you maintain your entire car.

polarzak,

I found many references on the net saying to lubricate wheel studs or wheel nuts. Here is just one of them:

" Coat the new stud with anti-seize compound, and put it into place."

'You cannot torque a nut or bolt without oil. You simply won’t get an accurate torque reading. That’s why I suggest using NeverSeize on the lug nuts and the centre hole. Dry steel tends to gall under pressure, so you’ll get that squeaking noise when you tighten the lug nuts and you won't have an accurate torque."

http://www.canadiantechnician.com/fe...?intDocID=3721

[jdl]

Mitchel ondemand says not to use oil on lug nut threads. That's good enough for me. The only bad squeaking I had with lug nuts is when I used oil on the threads. I won't use oil. I don't give dam how the rest of you do it.

[Experianced]

Originally Posted by jdl

Mitchel ondemand says not to use oil on lug nut threads. That's good enough for me. The only bad squeaking I had with lug nuts is when I used oil on the threads. I won't use oil. I don't give dam how the rest of you do it.

jdl,

What you wrote makes no sense. As a machinist I put lube on all metal to metal contact.

Post or link the quote to your source please.

[polarzak]

Originally Posted by Experianced

jdl,

What you wrote makes no sense. As a machinist I put lube on all metal to metal contact.

Post or link the quote to your source please.

As a retired Boeing engineer, what you wrote is irrelevant.
As a machinist, you simply cut metals, based on MY design, using oil as a lubricant and for heat dissipation. Bolt torque is a different concept. Research has shown an increase in the tensile stress in a bolt by a factor of more than FIVE as a result of lubricating the threads with light oil compared to clean dry threads, using the same tightening torque in both cases. Of course, any given case will be different, depending on the lubricant used, the thread pitch, and so on. But, you could be using up nearly all your safety margin and not know it. Have fun if and when a stud breaks.

[Experianced2]

We put oil on all moving metal to metal parts.

We put oil and or grease on all of the bearings in our cars, machines and firearms.

The oil also prevents rust and corrosion.

Our engines are filled with oil!

[polarzak]

Originally Posted by Experianced2

We put oil on all moving metal to metal parts.

We put oil and or grease on all of the bearings in our cars, machines and firearms.

The oil also prevents rust and corrosion.

Our engines are filled with oil!

What you wrote above is true, however once again irrelevant. Everyone knows, and it is written in some owners manuals... DO NOT oil lug nuts.

This quote covers it all. "Manufacturers, engineers and other industry experts seem to unanimously oppose using lubrication. On the other hand, some customers, DIYers and self-appointed Internet forum experts claim to have used thread lube since the very dawn of time with nary a problem".

I fall in the first category, and you seem to fall into the DIYs and forum expert category.

[Experianced2]

Originally Posted by jdl

Mitchel ondemand says not to use oil on lug nut threads. That's good enough for me. The only bad squeaking I had with lug nuts is when I used oil on the threads. I won't use oil. I don't give dam how the rest of you do it.

jdl,

Post a link to your "Mitchel on demand" quote.

Thank you

[Experianced2]

Originally Posted by Experianced2

jdl,

Post a link to your "Mitchel on demand" quote.

Thank you

That's baloney when you say owners manuals say not to oil lugs and lug nuts on wheels.

Show me a picture of an manual that says that!

[Experianced2]

The lug will not loosen on our 2001 Mercury GM nor the 2006 Chrysler 300!

I am headed down to the local garage this afternoon to have them try to loosen the Merc!
bolts
I tried the wrenches that came with each car and 1/2" Snap On sockets.

I even stood on the wrench handle and they will not budge!

[Experianced2]

I just got my car back from the garage where I took it to get the wheel loosened.

I took the nuts off again and put moly grease on their threads.

Now I must take the other car there tomorrow to have the wheel bolts loosened!