Heaven and Hell

[Pavlo]

Well i really dislike the Idea of heaven and hell. But anyways I was wondering, what age are you when you get there? If same as died then If I believed in that I would hate to die of old age. Second, is there time in there, what the hell happens with that? Also who creates (and based on what) the decision of your placement?

I just wanted to ask what religious people thought of this. My batist friends (very religious) refused to answer this question, by kind of bypassing it and changing the subject, so I was left without a logical answer.

[GForce957]

My thought for heaven would be any age you most desired, with hell it could be anything.

It exists outside of time.

God decides your placement, based on your actions on Earth.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

That is exactly why I don't have a religion as of now. Maybe there is one out there, but for me all my t's have to be crossed and i's dotted. It's questions like that caused me to abandon religion all together. Some people may be able to be happy with these loose ends, but not me.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Pavlo

what age are you when you get there? If same as died then If I believed in that I would hate to die of old age.

Nope it's not the age of when you died. In the Bible it says we will be given a new body. So you can take that any way you want it. I take it as we'll look like what we did on earth but MUCH better. Every girl will look like a perfect 10 with nice tight bodies. All the guys will make NFL players look like pre-schoolers. That's just me though.

Originally Posted by Pavlo

Second, is there time in there, what the hell happens with that?

Time will no longer be in the way we think of it. How do you time eternity?

Originally Posted by Pavlo

Also who creates (and based on what) the decision of your placement?

You decide on where you're going to go. If you accept Jesus then you're going to Heaven. If you don't, then you're going to Hell.

Anyway, I find it strange though that your babtist friend wouldn't (or couldn't) answer those questions because they seem rather simple to me.

[GForce957]

I disagree on the jesus thing tho, despite christianity's claims

[ghetto7o2azn]

yeah.. the idea of being sent for an eternity to burn in hell because you didnt believe that someone was the son of god that you have only really heard of, never met, and havent seen (other than pictures that they believe are rather inaccurate) and even with that, not everyone is even exposed to christianity, and dont say "missionaries" because they dont reach every one of the 1.2 billion people in china, or even the 1 billion in india...

[blakscorpion21]

if i did beleive in heaven i would say that as long as you are an all around good person then god will let u in. and if you were a bad person he will not let u in. christianity is just an interpretation of how to get to heaven. jews dont beleive in jesus yet they still go right? i think if heaven existed there would be more than one way to get there. what if jews were right all along and jesus is not the savior. then all christians would go to hell for worshiping a false god.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by blakscorpion21

if i did beleive in heaven i would say that as long as you are an all around good person then god will let u in. and if you were a bad person he will not let u in.

I've heard that before and believe it or not many people who go to church believe that too. The thing is sin cannot enter into Heaven. If you believe in Heaven then you know that it's a very pure place with no pain ect ect ect.
We cannot get there as we are full of sin. Since Jesus died for our sins he provided the ultimate sacrifice for them. (Side note: This goes back to the old testament where every week somebody would take their best cow or lamb and kill it for forgiveness.)

Originally Posted by blakscorpion21

christianity is just an interpretation of how to get to heaven.

I'd like to think it's the only way but yes it is in a way an interpretation.

Originally Posted by blakscorpion21

jews dont beleive in jesus yet they still go right? i think if heaven existed there would be more than one way to get there. what if jews were right all along and jesus is not the savior. then all christians would go to hell for worshiping a false god.

Well they do actually believe in Jesus. The thing is they don't believe he was the son of God. They think he was just a good prophet.

The thing is if you look at a Jewish Bible (All it is is a Christian Bible without the new testament) you'll see there were some things that had to happen. There were something like 40 prophecies that had to come true. Several Jewish leaders saw these prophecies come true yet they still don't believe Jesus. The thing was, they wanted Jesus to save them from the Romain Empire, but that wasn't his mission.

Anyway, there's my belief and my on the issue.

[GForce957]

Originally Posted by blakscorpion21

jews dont beleive in jesus yet they still go right? i think if heaven existed there would be more than one way to get there. what if jews were right all along and jesus is not the savior. then all christians would go to hell for worshiping a false god.

Muslims also believe in Jesus, they think hes a prophet like the Jews do.

[Pavlo]

Interesting answers.
Well another question comes up. I am a hardcore atheist, or lets take a person who decided to follow Buddah's believes. Does that person goes to Heaven/Hell or do they end up where they believed they would.
I mean most of the criminals do not believe in god, so how can they go to hell if they do not belieave in it or anything related to it?

[Polygon]

Well, my belief is that it isn't as black and white as heaven and hell. There is a gray area in between.

[GForce957]

Purgatory

[blakscorpion21]

i just cant accept the fact that a child rapist/murderer could get into heaven just by asking for forgiveness while a good person will go to hell for not beleiving in somet5hing they find hard to beleive. what kind of justice is that? and you cant say ur religion is right and others are wrong cause they all have the sasme basis. whos to say you wont be chillin on mount olympus with zeus when u die. if i beleived in any sort of afterlife it would be like an alternate demension where our bodies electrical energies goes when it can no longer inhabit the brain. not controlled by anyone yet shared by everyone.

[Twizted_3KGT]

Originally Posted by Pavlo

Interesting answers.
Well another question comes up. I am a hardcore atheist, or lets take a person who decided to follow Buddah's believes. Does that person goes to Heaven/Hell or do they end up where they believed they would.
I mean most of the criminals do not believe in god, so how can they go to hell if they do not belieave in it or anything related to it?

In all honesty, there isn't a person in the world that can give you a 100% accurate answer for any of these questions. We have no FACTS, all we have is hearsay and questionable evidence. Nothing has been proven, nor can it be. This is where faith comes into play, you believe what, logically, you shouldn't believe. This is also where finding God for yourself comes into play. If you have no answers to your questions, and no man can answer them, the next step is to search for God to answer them. Bible says "seek me and you will find", so if that ends up true and you do find Him, then you can have faith that the Bible is true. If not, then you can continue being atheist and hope there's no such thing as hell.

[balls_to_the_wall]

Well, I'm not going to voice my opinion on whether i think there is a heaven or hell. But I will say something that just happened to my history teacher here at college.

He just got out of the hospital, he flatlined for 30 seconds, and then got mouth to mouth, and came back. Got a pacemaker installed (this happed last thrursday) and was back workin yesterday. While he was flatlined, he said he did see white light, it was like floating into a cloud bank.

-Ryan