ls all motor

[sjkelly]

i am wondering is it worth the trouble to go all motor (with no vtec) in a ls... i no u can do the basic i/h/e and camshafts but will the internal upgrades give you significant power???...i was looking to get around 200 hp all motor and i dont no if its worth it...ohh and low 14's in the 1/4....thanks

[nastyNater]

Originally Posted by sjkelly

i am wondering is it worth the trouble to go all motor (with no vtec) in a ls... i no u can do the basic i/h/e and camshafts but will the internal upgrades give you significant power???...i was looking to get around 200 hp all motor and i dont no if its worth it...ohh and low 14's in the 1/4....thanks

200? at the fly or to the wheels?

200whp in an integra can get you pretty close to a 14 flat. But other variables must be taken into account. Is the car a manual? Does it have LSD? Does it have suspension mods? Can u drive?
The last is the most important. A fast car is nothing w/o a decent driver.

[nastyNater]

oh yeah....you asked if internal upgrades increase power? Well if youre going all-motor then thats where ALL the power is to be gained. I say that if you want an extremely fast car go turbo but if youre going for cool/uniqueness go all motor.

[Ace$nyper]

Yes you can hit that i've seen a LS setup hit that granted it was pretty crazy build up was in the mid 13s if i remember.

Honestly there are much better and cheaper ways to make power but don't be fooled the LS can do well the key is HEADWORK porting&polishing and cams really open up the LS motor.

One upgrade that works wonders but doesn't effect your motor is a tranny swap LS trannys gears are long for cruising and highway mileage putting a y21 from a 99-00SI or a GSR tranny will help you alot.

I would either look into forced induction or an LSVTEC setup if want 200 and still pretty close to stock.

Aiming for 200 WHP N/A on an LS will put you near a race car short highend powerband and very high compression. But if you want to we can help with that or any other build up you'd like.

[sjkelly]

yea i was thinkin of going turbo at first and then i went to vtec but i think im just gonna go all motor ls...how much do u think it wil cost (estimate) for me to hit the 200 mark bc if its way high i might go turbo but if its about the same i wont....anyone else going all motor ls???ohh and ace$nyper where should i start with my project...i already have a short ram intake, axel bac exhaust , new clutch, new axel.. and lowered w a real stiff suspension

[Ace$nyper]

Originally Posted by sjkelly

yea i was thinkin of going turbo at first and then i went to vtec but i think im just gonna go all motor ls...how much do u think it wil cost (estimate) for me to hit the 200 mark bc if its way high i might go turbo but if its about the same i wont....anyone else going all motor ls???ohh and ace$nyper where should i start with my project...i already have a short ram intake, axel bac exhaust , new clutch, new axel.. and lowered w a real stiff suspension

real nice head my friends shop has for sale.
http://www.quickwhips.com/sale.htm
that head and the intake mani is a good start you'll need a new set of cams
as I said before Headwork Headwork Headwork.

It'll cost alot to get it there range few thousand honestly. But N/A F/I whatever getting more air in the LS does wonders.

[spaminator]

what about pistons?

[slow_99integra]

Stong rods, crower rods are great...and you want to raise your compression fron the 9.2:1 to 12:1

With this you have four options:
1.Keep stock bore
2.Keep Stock Stroke
3.Bore the block
4.stroke it...Larger crank, shorter stroke, bigger bore
If i was gonna go all motor this would be the route i would go...But it costs money to go fast, and if not built correctly it can get unreliable.
get some nasty cams with a high duration, raise compression, get hondata, and tune, tune, tune. You will see some serious power. and it will cost serious money.
Good luck

[turboEKhatch]

Originally Posted by sjkelly

yea i was thinkin of going turbo at first and then i went to vtec but i think im just gonna go all motor ls...how much do u think it wil cost (estimate) for me to hit the 200 mark bc if its way high i might go turbo but if its about the same i wont....anyone else going all motor ls???ohh and ace$nyper where should i start with my project...i already have a short ram intake, axel bac exhaust , new clutch, new axel.. and lowered w a real stiff suspension

For less than the cost of a 200 WHP all motor LS setup you can build a 300 WHP turbo setup.

turbo > all motor

[97integrals]

Originally Posted by turboEKhatch

turbo > all motor

AMEN!!

[sjkelly]

i have about 1500 to put in to this project and i wanted turbo but i didnt want to deal with some of the problems that can arise bc of bad reliability...that is why i am going n/a... will 1500 get me to 200???

[turboEKhatch]

Originally Posted by sjkelly

i have about 1500 to put in to this project and i wanted turbo but i didnt want to deal with some of the problems that can arise bc of bad reliability...that is why i am going n/a... will 1500 get me to 200???

Not without a VTEC head. Even then it's iffy.

[Ace$nyper]

Why must there always be the onslaught of OMG BEWST PWNZORZ ALLMOTO.

Most people know this he stated he was looking for all motor gains. I know your all trying to help but its like if I walked into Burger King made an order and you told me you know there is a great steak house down the street.

Slow99 gave some great ideas for gains for 1500 total i'd look into that head I linked you too and cams or you can look into F/I as brought up before a vtec head swap might also be nice some good gains cheap now and will help N/A or F/I setups heck that might be all you want and call it a day even.

Last thing, if you ditch the axle back get a full catback exhaust free up some power for you.

[sjkelly]

ok so i realize that this is going to be expensive and i heard ls vtec is more effective but how reliable is it....also what is needed to convert the head to vtec...is it only the golden eagle kit and a head ???and about how much is the whole vetc conversiuon done for including labor

[iVteC_PoWeR]

you need a vtec head so you have to remove your old LS head. its the reliability part thats going to make a ls/vtec setup expensive.