N2O vs TURBO vs SUPERCHARGED vs ALL MOTOR

[ShockJon]

This time I am not going to argue... All I want is every body to vote and reply with your reason why.....
I am talking about streetable cars here folks....
I am a N2O man heres why..... I love the way naturally aspirated revs and sound and so-on but there is only so far that you can go with one.... There is nothing like the sound of a blow-off valve with a turbo, it just says "get you some!!!" But you have lag..... Super Charger There are very impressive with there power but you have to have power to make power.....
Now that all that is said.... N2O instant power there is no lag there is nothing but power..... as far as the general physics of forced induction they are all the same.... They all force are into the combustion chamber and go boom.... But with the Turbo's and Super Chargers the are always working and forcing are even when you are not raceing or in need of the power.... But the N2O only but strain on the motor when the button is mashed..... There are so many people with the misconception that N2O will blow up the motor..... That is the biggest lie.... The only thing that blows up a motor with N2O is the driver... "Guns don't kill people do" same thing..... Of course commen sense come into play here that a worn motor or a badly setup system can blow it up but thats still the persons fault..... I will admit that there are more things that can go wrong with the N2O with all the parts that can fail, but hey nothing is perfect!!! Well thats all I have to say for now.... Don't forget to vote!!!

[VTECseoul]

turbo, the ends are almost limitless; look at Supras, Skylines & Buick Grand Nationals. S/C are limited by RPMs, NOS is limited by how big the bottle is (it's like beer) & the turbo is power when you need it. turbo lag isn't that significant to complain about.

[drift]

you can run out of nitrous... i dont run out of turbo.

[ShockJon]

I never thought of it that way!!! Well spoke!!! But (there's always a but with me hehe) if a driver is so dumb as to not keep his bottle full whenever he thinks he might need it, he desevers to get beat!!!

[1320B4U]

Most of the fastest cars in the world used forced induction, and most of that is via turbocharging. NOS is a cool idea for the track, but for the street? How many FF street cars/drivers are able to handle an instant 50+ HP. Nothing beats the sound and feel of an all-motor engine, namely DOHC VTEC Hondas, with their high winding top end power, it feels like a race car. Supercharging, on a small displacement, low torque engine just doesnt seem like a good idea from the start. As for turbocharging, bang for the buck - it cant be beat. Most USDM available turbo vehicles can make huge gains for reletivly* small amount of money. If you wanna be the fastest, you gotta have boost.

PS - This is my first post.

[drift]

Originally posted by ShockJon
I never thought of it that way!!! Well spoke!!! But (there's always a but with me hehe) if a driver is so dumb as to not keep his bottle full whenever he thinks he might need it, he desevers to get beat!!!

i raced a kid with a nitrous injected GSR once on the highway. i was just slowly pulling past him since he wasnt going as fast as i preferred, and the kid started revving on me. i hit the scramble button on my boost controller then took off.

i hit 100mph and decided to let off, and i saw him starting to roll up on me... so we kept going. it was about 3am, and the roads were clear, so i hit it again... my car has no speed governor, so i pulled thru 130mph and then let off. he held on at 125mph or so.

then suddenly i heard this really loud popping sound, and his headlights fell WAAAAAYYY back. i slowed down to alongside him, and i started revving to let him have a clear listen to my blowoff valve.

we got off the highway at the same point, and at the light, he told me, "i ran out of nitrous". i merely exclaimed to him, "well, even on the bottle, you're slower than me."

i left him in a cloud of tyre smoke when the light turned green.

get real forced induction. nitrous dont cut it.

[ShockJon]

The same nitrous focus I metioned earlier against a golf with chip exaust and something else... The golf says that his psi is at 14 and it spike to 19... The focus eat his lunch..... nuff said.....
if the bottle is full and the car is tuned properly its all about driver and power.... You can make the same numbers with nitrous as with a turbo.. But $500 vs $3000+ is not a question especially if your on a budget.....

[1320B4U]

Well see which engine lasts longer, the one designed for boost(ie. low compression, DOHC, big injectors/fuel system) or the almost stock SOHC Civic/Accord with its 9.0:1 or higher compression hitting a 50+ shot everyday. You realize supercharged, methane running 6000HP+ drag racers have a CR of like .5:1 to resist detonation.

[ShockJon]

Ok heres a example for you to think about..... there have been 4 cases that I know of where people have taken the SVT Contour and put either a turbo or a S/C..... They were professionally installed and all that jive.. one of them slung a rod on the dyno after it detonated... The others blew at the track..... Out of all the SVT Contours with nitrous, there have been zero problems...... Same thing with a couple of focus owners the blew them with the turbo or S/C and the one's with nitous are still running strong..... Guns don't kill people, people do... Nitrous don't kill motors, people do.....

I will admit IF I were building a import for drag only (trailered) I would probly turbo if I were going to be in competition, but for a daily driver the nitrous is better..... Heres why..... with a turbo or S/C every time you mash the gas your are forcing the air into the motor race or not, which in turn is always putting pressure on the motor, which means the motor wears out faster..... with the nitrous you are only going to use it when you race so you never put any unwanted strain on te motor..... And as for the street cars nitrous makes a better sleeper..... no body unless they really have something is going to race something that everytime they shift it goes (ppsssshhhh) Thats not a very good sleeper sound to me!!! LOL!!! But any way as for daily driver for best OVERALL performance you can't beat NITROUS!!!!!

[1320B4U]

When did sleeper come into the equation? And as for ultimate bang for the buck, NOS will always win. But anyone can slap on the laugh gas. Is it the best or safest, people have there own opinions. As for the Contour SVT with its 2.5 V-6 mill putting out 195hp, by the way-isnt that a Mazda engine, 10.0:1 CR, never designed to handle boost. As for factory turbo cars(skylines, porsche, mitsu, nissan) not one has a CR of over 9.0. Go all motor or all boost, dont try to mix and match. For the SVT to handle boost and not blow, you would have to install head plates in order to drop the ratio a little, or rebuild the motor with lower compression pistons to be able to safely run decent amounts of boost 15-20psi. As for nitrous better on the street, keep dreaming. If you MASH the gas, your wanting to go fast and thats why boost comes on, more exhaust = more boost. I can drive around like a Honda all day, pulling 25-30mpg, yet at ANY moment( i dont need to have a bottle filled and open a valve) i can give a little more throttle, gain about 5psi of boost and thats equal to about...on my car anyway - 40HP. Enough to pass most cars. Ive actually spanked V6 pony cars(the new ones) on 5psi. And if I wanna go really fast, then I MASH it, and that adds however much HP i want, depending on how hard the pedal is pressed, the street, usually about 15-17.5 psi on the premium of course. GSR'd civics, h22 ludes, tegs, its not even funny; well, I laugh. Now LS1's are pretty quick in straight lines and when its not raining. Im rambling. If you wanted to go fast, you should have bought a fast car. ANYONE, I MEAN ANYONE can slap on Oxygen enriched fuel and say there fast, as for anyone can pump roids and say there strong.
Go fast or go home.

[A20A1]

Nah NO2 you run out of and have to refill which cost $$$
With an electric spooler you can eliminate lag of big turbos, but I'd rather not mess with one... since turbo carb setups are difficult and costly.
and I don't think i'll waste my time with a SC.

so that leaves me with all motor... custom makin parts as i go since no body likes A20 SOHC motors all too much... DC sports used to make a header for the engine.


Yes N/A cars at 7,500 rpm or above sounds killer... when I shift up to second gear the steering wheel tried to spin my hands off.

here is a pic for your enjoyment:

[whttrshpunk]

Ok heres a example for you to think about..... there have been 4 cases that I know of where people have taken the SVT Contour and put either a turbo or a S/C..... They were professionally installed and all that jive.. one of them slung a rod on the dyno after it detonated... The others blew at the track..... Out of all the SVT Contours with nitrous, there have been zero problems...... Same thing with a couple of focus owners the blew them with the turbo or S/C and the one's with nitous are still running strong..... Guns don't kill people, people do... Nitrous don't kill motors, people do.....

I don't think the problem is the turbos or sc's I think its the blue oval on the front of the car causing all the problems... Anyhow I prefer NA
I mean turbos are great and a sc'ed v6 or 8 is nice...but as for me I prefer high compression high revving(and harmless) fun. My 2.5 cents.

[A20A1]

hehe... but have you seen the racing in stockholm 2 video with the ford escort cosworth... 450 hp... racing a supra... real nice vid.

[ShockJon]

Nitrous and turbo charged and super charged all do the exact same thing... The only difference is the package the are in!!! They are all FORCED INDUCTION...... But what I really want to see is three identicle cars that weigh the same and every thing but one be all motor and one be on the bottle and one be turboed and all be at 300 Whp..... That would be a very interesting race don't you think!?!?!?! Why doesn't some one do that to prove which is better??? I would really like to know!!

[1320B4U]

So you saying for instance 3 cars all the same peak HP? One turbo, one NA, and one NOS. Say a H22a swapped 93 Civ HB.
1. NA 300whp (is that possible)?
2. Turbo 300whp
3. NOS 300whp
Now a buddy of mine has a H22a 94 Accord, and it doesn't really get going tell 5krpm+, my Turbo Talon starts taking off at 3krpm, when does NOS start taking off? Are we talking hitting it once? When do you hit it (what gear, what RPM)?
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