Evo III 16G supporting mod questions

[DSMNerd6889]

Hey guys, tax returns are coming up and I'm trying to decide what to spend it on. My thoughts so far...

Evo III 16G
Evo 02 housing
GM MAF and translator

My questions are...

What boost would you guys recommend running with my current mods?
Will I be okay with stock injectors?
What size injectors should I get?
Do you think I should be investing in different mods entirely?

Thanks in advance guys.

[guitarXgeek]

You should let us know what your goals are for the car so we can help you more.

First, I'd suggest and AFPR (adjustable fuel pressure regulator) since you have a walbro 255. Aeromotive makes a nice one.

Also, you should pick up a palm pilot and get the pocketlogger software so you'll know whats going on in there before you begin flowing more air! OR, since you have a 95, you might have an EPROM ecu and therefore you should get DSMlink! It's a pocketlogger/tuner all in one freaking awesome package. Check out www.dsmlink.com for more info.

I wouldn't think about a turbo upgrade until you get at least those things. However, you could pick up a 14b (a nice upgrade from your stock t25, but not quite a 16g) for about $100. Actually, I just saw a very good condition 14b on the dsmtuners.com classifieds last night for $140.

[scottsee]

yes, you'll need bigger injectors (550's if not bigger)& and somthing to compensate for them (safc2, dsmlink, maft)

i hear alot of people say they wish they would have went a little bigger on their turbo. from what i've read it's a fully capable 12's turbo.

[DSMNerd6889]

I plan on running dsmlink eventually... I just thought I'd get the turbo first. As far as goals, I want a very streetable car that would run low 13's possibly high 12's. When you say that you can run 12's on the 16g, are you refering to AWD, or would it be possible on in a FWD like mine? Thanks.

[BoostedSpyder]

those that say that they wish they had gotten a bigger turbo probably haven't maxed out the E3b16g...

you can run the stock stuff, but you can't turn up the boost past ~14psi safely.

study up on the MAFT.

[kjewer1]

Here is my take on things, for what its worth.

EVO3 16g is an outstanding turbo.

The o2 housing isnt necessarily worth the money. It wont add power, doesnt do a whole lot for creep (see my website), and has a different angle at the downpipe connection requiring a RRE DP specific to that housing, or modification to your current DP. Some poeple get away with it if they have slotted holes in thier (aftermarket) DP, and it doesnt rub the tcase too bad. But it usually causes some interference. Just an FYI.

As much as I love my MAFt (since my car wouldnt run without it), I wouldnt recomend it on a 16g car. It wont hurt anything, but it wont add any power, and the 16g spools so fast any gains from reduced pre turbo restirction are minimal. The stock MAS is very good at what it does, and its the standard that those of us with DSMlink calibrate our MAFts to. Not very cost effective in your case.

Someone suggest DSMlink since you most likely have a EPROM ECU. I would HIGHLY suggest doing that as soon as possible. To run larger injectors you would otherwise need an AFC or similar, which would in turn limit you to the size injector you could run (since timing gets banjaxed, but see other threads for that info). If you do DSMlink now you get the most badass tuning setup for the money in my humble opinion, you can and should go right to FIC 950s, it is also a very powerful datalogger, and you will be able to run any turbo you want with all this and tune it safely. Its great for a daily driver since larger injectors will run like stock, etc. Various safety features that are very helpful for a daily driver that cant have a lot of down time because you didnt know you were knocking, for example, etc.

I would suggest DSMlink, 950s, and the EVO3 16g. Thats about 1400 or so. I believe that is what most poeple get for a return, its about what I got for many years. This way you can imediately take advantage of that 16g (with tons of room to spare), and have nothing holding you back, no regrets. I would suggest a AFPR as guitarXgeek suggested, but that can come later. With DSMlink you can see the effect, understand it, tune around it, and live with it until you can do the AFPR at a later date.

Speaking in AWD terms, since that is what I know, this will give you an easy 12 second setup at high boost and race gas, and low 13s to high 12s on pump gas. A FMIC will pretty much allow you to max out that turbo with low 12 to high 11 second potential on race gas and 25 psi, and 12s on pump gas. Make whatever adjustments necessary to guess at FWD numbers. Even if its a half second slower, it will still pull like the AWD with the above numbers on the street.

Thats how I would spend your money. I like spending money thats not mine, especially when DSMlink is an option

[DSMNerd6889]

Change in plans! My buddy took my car for a test drive (forgetting that my suspension wasn't completely bolted up.) Now he's replacing an axle and a control arm. We tried doing it ourselves, but with 250,000 miles on my Talon, it's all rusted together. He decided to save himself a head ache and pay a shop to do it. I decided since they'll be in there anyways and will have to align the car, I'm buying tokico alluminas and tein s-tech springs. After it's all said and done, I'm paying about $900 for a new suspension. Usually I find buying things that will increase hp the most fun, but I guess a good suspension is money worth spent. Anywho... I'll have about $500 (give or take) left over from my tax return. You guys think I DSMLink would still be a good investment for the time being??? Also, I've looked at ECU+ at MachV, anybody have comments on this particular piggyback? Thanks for the input.

[guitarXgeek]

Here is my suggestion:














DSMLINK DSMLINK DSMLINK! I have dsmlink on my 95 with very minimal bolt-on mods, and it is still VERY helpful. I haven't even begun to take advantage of some of it's features and I still LOVE it. Definitely the best $600 I could have spent. If DSMlink is a possible option for you, GET IT, GO NOW! But seriously, if you are willing to spend the money for it, by all means go for it. I have never heard of anyone that had wished they'd not gone with the Link!

Excuse my craziness, but I do get a bit excited when I realize how much easier, convenient, and fun DSMlink makes driving and building up my car.


EDIT>>> This is post 666 for me

[dsmodder]

anyboyd know if you can switch maps on dsmlink while the car is idleing? im just curious. so you could put together a map for daily driving say on 13 psi then turn it up to 19psi and have dsmlink load a map for a suitable fuel curve etc?

[kjewer1]

I make changes at 75mph on the highway. You can make changes on the fly.