12's on a close to stock?

[Urban_Squrill]

I saw a write up for making a gen 1 AWD run 12's for cheap. The only write up that I can find is on DSMtuners which is not the right one.

[joemathews]

...okay...

If you're asking how, you can do it on the 14b. You'll need a rewired fuel pump, and probably bigger injectors to get the most out of the 14b. You're also going to need a full exhaust, filter, mbc, and probably a logging and tuning setup.

[10.5sec92AWDTALON]

No injectors needed.

Here's a copy of my post from another thread here. I ran a 12.4@110 back in 1997 with the 14b with my full weight, fully optioned 1992 Talon TSI.
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"First make sure all is well under the hood. Then:

Perform freebies:

block the EGR.
Block TB coolant lines.
Bump timing 4 degrees.
Remove MAF lower honeycomb/star silencer. Hack lower wall out of MAF.
Hack off the air can horn. Cut bottom of air can to let in additional cool air from below.
remove boost control solinoid.
If you have fog lights, remove the one blocking the I/C.
Trim bigger holes in back of splash guard to allow I/C to have airflow over it.

Now:

Get a boost gauge (stock one is 100% usless).
Get full O2 back exhaust, any cheap pressbent system will do. Use a cat bypass and no muffler.
Hardwire fuel pump or get aftermarket pump.
Install NGK 1 step colder plugs gapped slightly tighter than stock gap.
Get a K/N type air filter.
Flush and fill cooling system with 50/50 mix. Install 1 step cooler thermostat and bottle of Water Wetter.
If you're handy, port the living shit out of the O2 housing, turbo hot side & exhaust mani.
Make cheap, homemade boost controler.
Get large turbo outlet elbow and large throttle body inlet elbow.
Mod stock I/C to 2.5" inlet and outlet pipes, get some cheap pipe and pipe the rest of the way with 2.5".

dial in as much boost as you can before fuel cut, around 21 PSI.
Run high 12's on pump gas and as fast as 12.4 on race gas.
My cost was under $1200.

Get ready to need a new clutch too soon, $375.

These are prove, relatively safe mods.

Thing is you need to know what you're doing. You need to start to watch your O2 voltage once your into the low 13's. I used a cheap $25 DVOM, safer to run a bit rich than lean, shoot for .900 voltage, if it drops below .850 your pump is lacking &/or your injectors. I got by with stock injectors to 11.75, many folks don't. Depends how good a pump you have and how well your injectors are flowing. If you hack the MAS right you can get by with a lot of airflow. I know cars that have run into the 10's with a hacked MAS.

These are not some freak times. If you're a shit driver you'll run slower as ANY car will. If the car is in a state of poor repair you'll run like shit as ANY car will. If you're a reasonably good driver and the car is in reasonably good repair you'll run these times and faster even.


It's all about airflow, sufficient fuel, & preventing knock which not only is harmfull but it pulls timing killing HP. A lot of the simple mods are for knock prevention, they are very simple but HIGHLY effective on these cars."

[kjewer1]

I ran mid 12s on a 14b/2g with about 1800 in mods. A little more money than 10.5sec spent.

Buschur 2.5" turboback
K&N filter
UICP w/ 1gbov
PRofec B
TMO chip (fuel cut/stutterbox)
AFC
rewired stock pump, sotck injectors, stock sidemount.

[10.5sec92AWDTALON]

Originally Posted by 95 GSXracer

I ran mid 12s on a 14b/2g with about 1800 in mods. A little more money than 10.5sec spent.

Buschur 2.5" turboback
K&N filter
UICP w/ 1gbov
PRofec B
TMO chip (fuel cut/stutterbox)
AFC
rewired stock pump, sotck injectors, stock sidemount.

Out of curiousity do you remember what your MPH was on that?

[joemathews]

Out of curiousity could you explain TMO chip? And how were you tuning the car without datalogging? Or did you just not include that in the list....

[1stGenRocks]

i think i can answer your question joeM ttechnomotive(TMO) made a chip to replace the eprom on a stock ecu. they got rid of fuel cut, raised the rpm limiter, added a stutterbox launch, comp for bigger injectors etc. tmo is out of business but keydiver makes the same kind of thing with even more features, their web site is http://www.dsmchips.com/

[kjewer1]

I believe my highest mph was 110 on the 14b. I was datalogging,forgot about the dataloger. I bought that back when I was still on the t25. That adds up to more than 1800 using the fancy boost controller. An MBC would have sufficed of course.

[Urban_Squrill]

Sweet. Now I just need to find my self a Gen 1 AWD.

[10.5sec92AWDTALON]

Originally Posted by joemathews

Out of curiousity could you explain TMO chip? And how were you tuning the car without datalogging? Or did you just not include that in the list....

TMO was Todd Day, he ran the Talon Digest for many years.