For us Patriotic Americans

[RavagePenguin]

Heres a list to get instead of a Non-American car/trucks. I'm not trying to get a arguement started. This is just a list for people who want a car and not stuck with Non-American cars/trucks

2005 Ferrari Enzo instead get a 2005 Ford GT40(Ferrari killer think of 1970's Le Mans)

2005 Lamborghini Murcilago instead get a 2005 Saleen S7

2005 Acura NSX instead get a 2005 Chevrolet Corvette

2005 Porsche Carrera instead get a 2005 Dodge Viper

2005 CLK55 AMG instead get a 2005 Pontiac GTO

2005 Toyota Celica instead get a 2005 Mustang

2005 Mitsubishi Evolution instead get a 2005 Dodge SRT-4

2005 Nissan Titan instead get a 2005 Ford F-150

2005 Toyota Tacoma instead get a Chevrolet Colorado

2005 Nissan Frontier instead get a 2005 Dodge Dakota

2005 Toyota Tundra instead get a GMC Sierra 1500

Add more if you want

[del]

um, some of those i agree, others i do not. still not sure what to think of this one but oh well.

whoever said anyone was stuck with a 'non-american' car/truck? people do have a choice when they go car shopping. either the Chevy dealer here or the honda dealer down the road. no one is "stuck" as you put it.

[DinanM3_S2]

wow, um... so buying American Cars makes you patriotic?

Ford GT (not called the GT40) over the Enzo? Maybe over the 360 CS, cause there more comparable, but never the Enzo, even C&D, the biggest fan of the new GT said that it couldnt beat an Enzo. And it was the 1960's LeMans which the GT40's won, and Ford hasnt won since.

S7 over the Lambo, maybe, but yet again you have your prices all mixed up. Last time I checked the S7 is MUCH more expensive then the Lambo, so sure it should be better. So maybe a closer comparison would be the Enzo or the Carrera GT, hell, I once read that Saleen hoped it would beat the McLaren F1 as a road car, so lets compare it with that...

I can see a Z06 over a NSX, but really thats a personal preference, I can actually accept the Z06 over the NSX. The NSX hansn't changed much in a long time. The C4 was in the middle of its production while the NSX was released. I have not seen specs on the HSC (the next gen NSX), however I doubt it will match up to the C6. (see, i dont hate american cars, just stupid people)

996 vs Viper? Straight line, Viper wins; everything else, Carrera. Theres a reason Porsches are selling so well compared to their American counterparts...

CLK55 vs GTO- I saw that article, didnt read it though, thought it was a joke to compare the CLK55 with a car 1/2 its price, and I personally have never heard a good thing about a pontiac since the origional GTO's, so I guess we'll see on this one.

Celica vs 2005 Mustang- I personally thing the Celica is trash, and Toyota badly needs to make an actual sports car. I like the styling of the new Stangs, and the GT should be awesome. 300bhp for $24,000 is pretty damn good.

Evo VIII vs SRT4??? Your joking right? Wrong price classes... Evo has more of everything, cept maybe weight... come on

Japanese Trucks vs American- The last thing I want to do is bash American trucks because they really are very good. The new F-150 is awesome. To be honest, im split on this one. I have friends with fords from the 70's running perfectly well, but at the same time, I've got friends with Toyota's that claim that they'll outlast anything. I know as a fact that the new Nissan Titan is pretty damn powerful. Im not really a truck kinda guy so...



Add some you say?

What about Accord vs any american sedan under $28,000?

What about the BMW 3-series or an Infinity G35 vs any american sedan ever?

what about 7-series, A8, or S-class vs a Cadillac DeVille?

Im sorry but the way I see it, America is a little disadvantaged over foreign car makers right now, with few exceptions.

PS, Im sorry about Toyota in Nascar

[Demon_Mustang]

"Ford GT (not called the GT40) over the Enzo? Maybe over the 360 CS, cause there more comparable, but never the Enzo, even C&D, the biggest fan of the new GT said that it couldnt beat an Enzo. And it was the 1960's LeMans which the GT40's won, and Ford hasnt won since."

Straight line performance the GT is almost as good, 0-60 in 3.3 seconds and 1/4 mile I think was about .4 seconds more than the Enzo, but costs about $500,000 less.

Handlind-wise, the Enzo looks like a F1 car with a fake body thrown around it, so it might do well here, but I don't supposed the GT will be too shabby here either.

"S7 over the Lambo, maybe, but yet again you have your prices all mixed up. Last time I checked the S7 is MUCH more expensive then the Lambo, so sure it should be better. So maybe a closer comparison would be the Enzo or the Carrera GT, hell, I once read that Saleen hoped it would beat the McLaren F1 as a road car, so lets compare it with that..."

I believe the model Laborghini he named is quite expensive also.

Anyway, I don't agree with the original post though, I don't see any reason to buy American over something else simply for the fact that it's American, even though I happen to like an American car, I know it isn't for everyone.

[blindside.AMG]

Originally Posted by DinanM3_S2

What about the BMW 3-series or an Infinity G35 vs any american sedan ever?

How about the new Chrysler Hemi 300C?
Yes, yes, yes, I am very aware of the German products involved. No need to comment. But the Chrysler is still an American sedan.


PS - I'm a big fan of American cars but there are way too many things wrong with this thread to comment on but most of them have been adressed. Sorry.

[nbw]

2005 Toyota Celica instead get a 2005 Mustang

2005 Mitsubishi Evolution instead get a 2005 Dodge SRT-4

cmon man, give the mustang a little more credit then that..

and the evo compared to the srt-4 isnt all that fair either..

[Moppie]

Just one problem with some of your list:

Originally Posted by RavagePenguin

2005 Nissan Titan instead get a 2005 Ford F-150

2005 Toyota Tacoma instead get a Chevrolet Colorado

2005 Nissan Frontier instead get a 2005 Dodge Dakota

2005 Toyota Tundra instead get a GMC Sierra 1500

The Toyotas and Nissans listed are all designed, enginered and built in the US, by americans. In the case of the Tundra its then rebadged and exported to other world markets (including Japan).
They are totaly american in every single way.

The Chevys and dodge however, while they may have American names, are made in large numbers in Mexico, and even if the trucks themselves are assembled in the US, a lot of the parts infact come from non-US manufactors.

Your ideal true American patoriot, who buys only American goods should infact choose one of the Toyotas or Nissans. But then anyone choosing what vechile to buy based soley on where its made has more to worry about in life, and seriosly needs to re-evaulate thier political and social beliefs.
Strong irrational nationalistic beliefs have as much place in the modern world as slavery and segregation.

[Jimster]

Sorry, but the Pontiac GTO is as Australian as Olivia Newton John chucking another shrimp on the Barbie.... And having driven both a Holden Monaro and CLK55, the GTO doesn't compare, at all.

A Murcie or an S7? Well the S7 is far more than a Murcie, compare it to a Zonda and I don't think the S7 would be quite as good as a Zonda.

An Enzo and a GT, no.... Sorry but the cars are in different leagues, compare it to a 360 Challenge Stradale.

Why on earth get an SRT-4 over an Evo?? Once again, a FWD car vs an AWD Rally Special? Nah, they're virtually from the same maker any way...

A Mustang V6 wouldn't touch a Celica, but a V8 GT vs a Celica would be comparing an apple with my desklamp.

And those trucks, every last one listed was Amerian- all developed in America for the truck-crazy population. While Chevrolet pickups and SUV's are made in Mexico, so don't buy a Chevy buy a Nissan!

Buying a vehicle because of it's nation of manufacture is pointless in a globalised world, anyone who buys in that manner should just stick to the bus......

[christophv]

005 CLK55 AMG instead get a 2005 Pontiac GTO

are you joking?
go to anyone, offer him a CLK55 or a newschool GTO instead. guess what he'd answer??

btw. the ford gt40 was developed and assembled in the UK, only the name is american

how about this one
2004 Bugatti Veyron 16/4 instead get a 2004 Ford Focus?

yep, I'd take the stang over the celica. but you have to see that, for example, a lambo is a lambo - and that's why I'd take it.

cu

[VQuick]

Originally Posted by RavagePenguin

2005 Ferrari Enzo instead get a 2005 Ford GT40(Ferrari killer think of 1970's Le Mans)

Not really. The only real thing these cars have in common is that they are the performance flagship for their respective marques. Even Ford said they were targeting the 360M. The GT just happens to be faster than the 360CS, as well.

2005 Lamborghini Murcilago instead get a 2005 Saleen S7

Not really the same class again. The Saleen would probably be better compared with the Enzo.

2005 Acura NSX instead get a 2005 Chevrolet Corvette

No argument there from me. I personally don't like the NSX...but since both cars will be new models for '05, you probably aren't in a position to render judgement yet.

2005 Porsche Carrera instead get a 2005 Dodge Viper

Carrera GT? No. Just no. If you mean the regular 911 Carrera, then maybe.

2005 CLK55 AMG instead get a 2005 Pontiac GTO

No. If a stock E55 sedan can beat a modded '03 Cobra, which is much faster than the GTO, then the CLK55 coupe would have no problem with a GTO. Try comparing the CLK55 to a Corvette instead.

2005 Toyota Celica instead get a 2005 Mustang

Not a valid comparison. There is no '05 Celica, or even an '04, for that matter. I guess the Mustang wins by default.

2005 Mitsubishi Evolution instead get a 2005 Dodge SRT-4

No.

2005 Nissan Titan instead get a 2005 Ford F-150

That's debateable. I'd personally take a Titan.

2005 Toyota Tacoma instead get a Chevrolet Colorado

Maybe. Can't remember if the Taco is a new model for '05 or not. If so, I haven't seen it, so I can't pass judgement.

2005 Nissan Frontier instead get a 2005 Dodge Dakota

Have you seen the '05 Frontier? Unless the Dakota had a 'Hemi,' no.

2005 Toyota Tundra instead get a GMC Sierra 1500

The Sierra's design is much too old, but I'd probably take one, because I'd want some real power and space, compared to what the 7/8ths Tundra offers.

[Neutrino]

I'm sorry but in today's world of multinational corporations asociating cars with any country and patriotic feelings has no point.

This has been pointed out by Jimster in this thread and by Moppie in a sticky at the top of this forum.



So if you would like to compare any of the cars mentioned earlier feel free to do so based on the car's merits and not nationality. (Just please don't start a million treads at once with each car)


Anyway thread closed.