What kind of hp #'s with what mods?

[ricergribbs]

hi all, i am planning on buying a project car, but i dont know which one to choose. i was hoping people could post some hp numbers and what kind of mods they have? thanks.

[travagliante]

humm whats ur budget first, and dont say unlimited.
Search a little bit first and then ask the questions

[GScivic7]

dude, how many different forums did you post this same question in???

[Killa_CRX]

Originally Posted by GScivic7

dude, how many different forums did you post this same question in???

36? :P

[ricergribbs]

umm.. 2. mainly the last 2 forums for the cars im interested in. im thinking crx, civic, 1st gen eclipse. but i didnt post in the eclipse forum... so 2.

[Mtrujillo]

The most important thing you have to remember is $Budget$ what you are looking to build? Turbo ? N/A? Road Racer? Drag Racer? etc, you have to know this stuff first hand! And most importantly you have to know what car you want. I think anybody here would recomend buying a 4th gen becuase they are really good cars for projects. You can basically drop any engine in them, and there are an abundant number of mods. So I really recomend that you get your game plan setup first.

[ricergribbs]

ok, budget: up to 10k, the higher the longer ill spend on the project, style of car: road race/drag, engine: turbo

[Mtrujillo]

Originally Posted by ricergribbs

ok, budget: up to 10k, the higher the longer ill spend on the project, style of car: road race/drag, engine: turbo

10K should be way more than enough...especially if you get a 4th gen Civc/CRX this car is perfect for what you want. It is a perfect platform for DRAG, and a extremely good platform for RoadRacing. If you plan on TurboCharging than I would definately go with a LS/VTEC. Why? Becuase it provides Awesome power for the Drag platform and for the RoadRace Platform. Like I said 10K should be suffecient for what you want to do. And I really recomend that you get a HatchBack or CRX which ever you pick will be a good choice. If you have anyquestions just post them

[ricergribbs]

how much $$ would it take to get a 2nd gen crx and swap in the ls/vtec? also how much would it take to build the internals on the engine and turbo it? and how much boost could i run producing how much power?

[Mtrujillo]

These numbers are not going to be exact but somewhat similar...ok!

CRX = $800-1200 depending on condition...
LS Block = $200-300
VTEC Head = $300 - 500
Tranny = $300 - 500
Misc..Parts = $600 - 700
Bottom end build = $1000+ depending on what pistons and how much work you want to it...
Head Job = $700 - 1000 + same as block
Turbo Kit = $2500+
Dyno Tunning @ $100 Hr.
400+ HP at the wheels

PRICELESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is more to this of course, like labor and paying someone to wire up the car. but like i said 10K should be more than enough. Go talk to you one of your local shops. or call JG Engine Dynamics!!
http://www.jgenginedynamics.com they have some awesome Engines

[ahzab33]

Originally Posted by Mtrujillo

10K should be way more than enough...especially if you get a 4th gen Civc/CRX this car is perfect for what you want.

Please tell me how 10k will be enough because I have been trying to build a 12 - 13 second daily driver with only 10k and it seems damn near impossible. So far, i've only gotten the car. Unless you can find a 1990 Civic for $750 like I did, be prepared to spend a bit more. I had to shed quite a bit to get to this number. I would have liked to have been able to put more into the suspension like a camber kit, strut bars etc. Also not included are block reinforcements. If you're running big boost, you gotta strenghten the bottom end. Maybe you can take a look at where i'm overspending and recommend better ways to spend the money.


Car/ Supplier/ Cost:
1990 Honda Civic Private Owner 750.00


Engine Mods/ Supplier/ Cost:
B20B Motor Hmotorsonline 500.00
Brackets Hasport 130.00
Mounts & Linkage Hasport 549.20
Wiring Conversion Hasport 175.00
Total 1,354.20

External Mods/ Supplier/ Cost
Catback Exhaust Apexi 399.00
Timing Belt Kit Pro Street 143.00
Intake Manifold JG/Edelbrock 499.00
Throttle Body JG/Edelbrock 349.00
Total 1,390.00


Power Adders/ Supplier/ Cost
Turbo Kit Rev Hard 2,899.00
Total 2,899.00

Ignition System/ Supplier/ Cost
Spark Plugs NGK 10.00
Spark Plug Wires MSD 150.00
Coil MSD 119.00
Ignition MSD 199.00
Total 478.00

Fuel System/ Supplier / Cost
Fuel Rail AEM 125.00
Total 125.00

Cooling System/ Supplier/ Cost
Radiator Hoses Greddy 155.00
Total 155.00

Engine Mgmt Supplier Cost
ECU Salvage 50.00
Total 50.00

Engine Total 6,696.20


Transmission/ Supplier/ Cost
94 LS Gearbox Import Center 600.00
Clutch Exedy $389.00
Flywheel Comptech $60.35
Axles Hasport $399.00
Total $1,448.35

Handling / Supplier / Cost
Shocks & Struts Tokico $429.00
Springs Eibach $196.00
Brake Rotors Power Slot $189.00
Brake Pads Axxis $70.00
Wheels & Tires 5Zigen $899.00
Total $1,783.00
Driveline Total 3,231.35


Modification Total 9,682.55

[Mtrujillo]

dude it's not that hard to build a 12 sec daily driven car with 10 gran!! your going about it all wrong!!! first off...fuck that bolt on bullshit!!! just bolt ons aint going to do it !!! I have a b20/VTEC...here are my cost. ALL Motor..with stock internals (Crank & Rods)

91 CRX DX = $1,100
B20 Block $250
B16 Head $300
Pistons $600 Arias 11.5:1 (Compression)
Blueprint and balanced bottom end $1100
Port head, valve job, and mill head $1200
Mounts and linkage<---$350 (you got ripped off)
LSD Tranny $560
Wiring $100
Type-R Header $450
Type-R Cams $300
Toda Cam Gears $250
Skunk2 Coilovers $250
Strut Brace's Front lower and upper - Rear Lower and upper $80 for the whole kit
MSD CAP $40
MSD Coil $35
MSD Ignition $110 <----that was a hook up

so far $7,075

and the car ran a 13.2 on it's first ever run without any tunning...

You know what I'm going to stop there becuase I can see you have been had...you have been overpaying for alot of shit that you dont need on your car. You are paying alot of money for stuff you can get cheaper...

[ahzab33]

Originally Posted by Mtrujillo

You know what I'm going to stop there becuase I can see you have been had...you have been overpaying for alot of shit that you dont need on your car. You are paying alot of money for stuff you can get cheaper...

Actually, what I said in the first post is that so far all i've purchased is the car. I haven't bought any of the other things yet. What I posted was a price list of things I was planning to get. As for you rcar, that's pretty impressive. 13's on the first try. That's pretty good.

I live in the Bay Area of CA. I don't know where to find a B20 block for that cheap. www.hmotorsonline.com has it for $749 and so does www.totalboost.com. It comes with the intake & exhasut manifolds, distributor, fuel rail, alternator, throttle body. I wasn't planning on a CRVTEC combo, but I may. I was just going to reinforce the block and boost it. Can you tell us how to find these mods for so cheap?

[Mtrujillo]

I'm sorry I didnt understood you the first time...I thought that was all the stuff you had gotten already. Look first off if you are looking into building your motor do that dont worry about your other stuff like suspension. Dont get me wrong it is just as important, but get the motor done first. Since I live in Los Angeles, there is a lot of competition amungts the the local shop that's why the prices are low (compared to other places) But anyway dont just go to one shop. I found my B20 Block on Ebay...and the B16 head as well go to the junkyards you dont necesarly have to buy a whole engine if you are going to do CRVtech becuase you are going to have to rebuild anyway so just look for the complete BOTTOM end! and start there.

[90civicracer]

If your going to go turbo wouldn't just the ls swap (without vtec...b18b) be better cuz of the lower compression without the vtec? Also you're gonna wanna spend some of that money on suspension if you're looking at road racing. Suspension components are not cheap by any means either.