UN tell Canada to jump

[YogsVR4]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35000

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
U.N. rules Canada should ban spanking

Committee on the Rights of the Child issues decision in Geneva

Posted: October 9, 2003

A United Nations committee has ruled Canada should bar parents from
spanking their children.

As a signatory of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, Canada is
obligated to make periodic appearances before the U.N.'s Committee on
Rights of the Child, which said the country should "adopt legislation to
remove the existing authorization of the use of 'reasonable force' in
disciplining children," the National Post reported.

The U.N. body says Canada should "explicitly prohibit all forms of
violence against children, however light, within the family, in schools
and in other institutions where children might be placed."

The ruling cannot supersede national law, the Post said, but Ottawa
wants to comply with the regulations to bolster the U.N.'s attempt to
encourage international norms.

The United States and Somalia are the only countries that have not
signed the convention, which routinely tells members appearing before
its committee to pass laws banning spanking.

"This ruling is another example of the U.N. infringing on our own
national concerns," said John-Henry Westen, spokesman for
LifeSiteNews.com, an online monitor of family values, according to the
National Post.

"When a child is young and cannot understand, a tap on the hand is
essential for training," he said. "We have a wood-burning stove that
gets very hot. It's ridiculous that I can't save my child from burning
himself by tapping his hand away from it."

However, a member of the committee responsible for communicating with
Canada argued, if the child "puts his hand on a hot oven, he will be
burnt and he will not do it again."

The Post said Moushira Khattab of Egypt admitted she lightly disciplined
her own two children when they were young, but says now she knows
better.

"There are other means," she said. "Children are very smart, and even
when they are as young as two or three months old, they will understand
if you have a tough look, or change the tone of your voice, or turn away
from them."

A poll published yesterday showed Canadians evenly split on the question
of whether parents should be allowed to spank their children, the
Canadian paper said. Overall, according to the survey, Canadians are
against the use of corporal punishment by teachers.

The Supreme Court of Canada also is considering a petition to repeal a
federal law that lets parents, teachers or guardians apply "reasonable
force" to discipline a minor.
At a hearing June 6, the Canadian Foundation for Children, Youth and the
Law argued the federal law violates the right of all Canadians to be
treated equally.

"If you hit an adult, it is an assault, but if you hit a child in the
context of discipline, it is justified under our current law," said
Cheryl Milne, the lawyer who argued the case, according to the Post.
"The U.N. committee ... agrees with that very strongly - that countries
should be prohibiting all forms of corporal punishment of children."

The Post said groups that regard themselves as children's rights
advocates likely will ratchet up their calls for stricter laws against
spanking.

The Canadian government seemed to play both sides of the issue.

"While the government does not support spanking of children, it is also
against the criminalization of parents for lightly disciplining their
kids," said Chris Girouard, spokesman for the Department of Justice,
according to the Post. "It's whatever is in the child's best interests."

The paper said the ruling came after 18 experts of the Committee on
Rights of the Child questioned a Canadian delegation of experts and
government officials in Geneva.

The committee also urged Canada to do more about helping aboriginal
children, who suffer disproportionately high suicide and drug abuse
rates, and to provide affordable child care for working families across
the country.

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I’m just interested to see how far Canada will jump when a UN body says jump.

[freakray]

And there I was under the impression that it was the Canadian Government that made the decisions in Canada, not the UN.

Isn't it ironic that the UN is worried about whether or not a child in a first world country gets spanked, but when there is speculation that a third world country ruled by a dictator may have WMD's, the UN looks the other way.
Oh wait, spanking a child is a significant threat on world peace, whereas a dictator potentially with a WMD is of no threat to any other country.

I am starting to agree with you Yogs, the UN is toothless and useless!

[YogsVR4]

The UN is slowly eroding the sovereignty of nations bit by bit. If they ever get a taxing authority (which they have been trying to do), shit will really start to hit the fan.

[TexasF355F1]

I suspect that all forms of government are secretely tied together with a plan for world domination to control everything and everyone,kinda like a world wide communist state......No not really, but if you really think hard it seems possible.

[Amish_kid]

Noooo if they do that how me and the ladies spose to get real kinky ?

Nvm just fer the kids, I pretty much think this is a crock of shit the kid usually never is hurt when it's done. By spanking you are just showing power over the kid it's not really to hurt them basically to let the kid know what you are capable could really say its just scare tactic used by parents. It works

[Sean]

Sometimes I think the world forgets there are real problems, such as famine and disease.

Hell, my parents used to spank me whenever I did something bad. I remember when I was 6, we had a sound system in the living room, with uncovered speakers. I used to poke the centres of the woofers in, no matter how many times they got mad about it. I always blamed my brother, and when they found out it was me who did it, I was grounded for a month.

I think there was a point to that story, but I can't quite remember it right now.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

The UN is slowly eroding the sovereignty of nations bit by bit.

As opposed to invading and removing it with the U.S.Marines?

Question for you Yogs...If Canada decided to ignore this particular U.N.resolution,would you advocate invading their country and toppling its leader?And how would you attempt to justify the invasion if it turned out that there was no spanking happening in the first place?

[blindside.AMG]

Originally Posted by taranaki

As opposed to invading and removing it with the U.S.Marines?

Question for you Yogs...If Canada decided to ignore this particular U.N.resolution,would you advocate invading their country and toppling its leader?And how would you attempt to justify the invasion if it turned out that there was no spanking happening in the first place?

I think torturing and killing innocent civilians is a little different than spanking children..........

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by taranaki

As opposed to invading and removing it with the U.S.Marines?

Question for you Yogs...If Canada decided to ignore this particular U.N.resolution,would you advocate invading their country and toppling its leader?And how would you attempt to justify the invasion if it turned out that there was no spanking happening in the first place?

Holy setting up straw men batman! You really had to work hard to set up a question and then give only loaded answers as options I expected so much better from you.


Perhaps you've forgotten that I think the UN is a useless organization and nothing they say or do is worth the paper its printed on?

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

I think the UN can be useful. As in politicians can argue all they want and bad things can get stuck in the system and instead of affirmative action people argue.

Although I presume Canada isn't going to listen to that BS. The UN really shouldn't be trying to change a member state's legislation. Thats just wrong.

[Toksin]

There is a similar spanking debate in NZ at the moment. They clarified it here though. Basically, it won't be to stop parents from disciplining their children, it's to stop abusers from hiding behind a claim that they were using what they thought was "reasonable force".

You ask me though, there's a pretty fuckin' thick line between a hiding and a beating.

[Sluttypatton]

I agree that violence against minors is despicable and should be banned in all forms. But I thought I should commend the U.N. for dealing with the really pressing issues...[sarcasm]. Anyways, anyone who wants to invade Canada will have to come through me first...and let me tell ya, I've got a wooden spoon, and I am not afraid to use it.

[YogsVR4]

While I didn't originally intend this to be a referendum on corporal punishment, it is interesting to hear some of your takes on the issue. I personally don’t see any problem with spanking. Certainly I don’t want any child beaten, but the tool of corporal punishment should not be removed from a parents hands. It should be one of the last tools used, but it shouldn’t be eliminated.

[Sluttypatton]

Morally I don't have a major problem with spanking (within reason), but I feel that if doing the same to an adult is assault, then doing so to a child is the same. After all, we preach equality in North America, and Canada is supposed to be a diverse country where everyone is equal. Also, I beleive that violence is for the stupid and unimaginative, they can't think of a good way to verbalize they're anger or upset, so the express it physically.

[Toksin]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

While I didn't originally intend this to be a referendum on corporal punishment, it is interesting to hear some of your takes on the issue. I personally don?t see any problem with spanking. Certainly I don?t want any child beaten, but the tool of corporal punishment should not be removed from a parents hands. It should be one of the last tools used, but it shouldn?t be eliminated.

I agree with you there Dave. I was spanked growing up, I got some mean motherfuckers of spankings, but I was never beaten. Any adult who can't see the line between discipline and abuse doesn't deserve to be a parent.