Vr4/gsx?

[mikegee]

Is there a difference between the galant vr-4 and the galant gsx?

[RockinWRX]

Several , among other things the GSX is not turbo. It has the non-turbo version of the 4G63 , with the cast iron pistons , and without the piston oil squirters the turbo engine has. It still has the same 7000 rpm redline , though. The only engine option was the NT 4G63. The GVR-4 has AWS (all wheel steering) and Active ECS (electronically controlled suspension) . The GSX does not have those components , instead just having the same basic version of the AWD drivetrain found in the E/T/L cars. The GVR4 also other amenaties not found in the GSX , such as power leather seats , though they may have been an option. The GSX is also only available in 5-spd , the GVR4 had both AT and 5-spd's as options , but the GSX does get the GVR4's same 5-spd tranny , which is the more desirable swap in the DSM world , because of its taller 1st gear.
What the GSX lacks for power can be quickly rectified with a turbo engine and ECU swap , in which case I'm a firm beleiver that the GSX would be the faster car , given the fact it ends up being about 200 lbs lighter then the GVR4 , due to not having the AWS and AECS , and less heavy interior parts ( power seats weigh a LOT ) . The GSX is even rarer than the GVR4 , and also the only non-turbo AWD car Mitsubishi imported here. I can't get any definite production numbers on the GGSX , but I own the only one I've ever seen in Colorado.

[mikegee]

just when i think i mean THINK i know a lot about cars, i get an answer like this from someone like yaself rockinwrx. i still have a lot to learn. it's too bad that they have to make a mag. dedicated to in depth car knewledge. i could look at chillton but not exactly what im talking bout.

thanks rockinwrx

I have a GTi 4WD [Euro version of GSX] which has 4-Wheel Steering. I was under the impression all of them came like this, but maybe the European version was different to the US ?

I also know there are a few [even rarer] ECS-equipped GTi/GSX cars, since the ECS was an option. I've even seen one person [in Canada I think] who has a GSX FWD with ECS, so I guess things got a little f***ed up when they were planning this car, since there seems to be every permutation on the options list you could get :s

[turbowop]

Originally Posted by RockinWRX

Several , among other things the GSX is not turbo. It has the non-turbo version of the 4G63 , with the cast iron pistons , and without the piston oil squirters the turbo engine has. It still has the same 7000 rpm redline , though. The only engine option was the NT 4G63. The GVR-4 has AWS (all wheel steering) and Active ECS (electronically controlled suspension) . The GSX does not have those components , instead just having the same basic version of the AWD drivetrain found in the E/T/L cars. The GVR4 also other amenaties not found in the GSX , such as power leather seats , though they may have been an option. The GSX is also only available in 5-spd , the GVR4 had both AT and 5-spd's as options , but the GSX does get the GVR4's same 5-spd tranny , which is the more desirable swap in the DSM world , because of its taller 1st gear.
What the GSX lacks for power can be quickly rectified with a turbo engine and ECU swap , in which case I'm a firm beleiver that the GSX would be the faster car , given the fact it ends up being about 200 lbs lighter then the GVR4 , due to not having the AWS and AECS , and less heavy interior parts ( power seats weigh a LOT ) . The GSX is even rarer than the GVR4 , and also the only non-turbo AWD car Mitsubishi imported here. I can't get any definite production numbers on the GGSX , but I own the only one I've ever seen in Colorado.

Hmmmm.....you're right on some things but way wrong on others. I'm pretty sure your pistons are cast aluminum....not cast iron. Those would be a tad heavy. GVR4's came only with a 5speed and did not come with AECS. Also, zero GVR4's came with power seats although they were all leather. I am talking about the USDM versions here. If anybody wants to know more about the GVR4 you can read up on them at www.galantvr4.org .

[RockinWRX]

Originally Posted by turbowop

Hmmmm.....you're right on some things but way wrong on others. I'm pretty sure your pistons are cast aluminum....not cast iron. Those would be a tad heavy. GVR4's came only with a 5speed and did not come with AECS. Also, zero GVR4's came with power seats although they were all leather. I am talking about the USDM versions here. If anybody wants to know more about the GVR4 you can read up on them at www.galantvr4.org .

Nope , sorry , YOU are wrong. I really hate people that try to tell me what my car has in it , especially when I have the FACTORY REPAIR MANUAL from Mitsubishi corporation itself. The NT 4G63 came with CAST IRON pistons. The TURBO version came with cast aluminum. GVR'4s DID come with AECS . And GVR4's DID come with power seats , as illustrated in the factory repair manual. I really hate it when people try to tell me things , and I have the FACTORY GVR4/GGSX repair manual within arms reach.

[turbowop]

Hey fuckstick....you may have a factory repair manual within arms reach but I have my GVR4 within my arms reach and it ain't got power seats or AECS. Don't even try to argue with me or the other 3000 USDM GVR4 owners that know better. See the pic in my sig? Yeah...hello? Duh... that's my GVR4. You're as bad as the parts guy at Shucks that tried to tell me GVR4's have automatics. Sorry buddy...not in the U.S..

[GVR4DREW]

Originally Posted by RockinWRX

Several , among other things the GSX is not turbo. It has the non-turbo version of the 4G63 , with the cast iron pistons , and without the piston oil squirters the turbo engine has. It still has the same 7000 rpm redline , though. The only engine option was the NT 4G63. The GVR-4 has AWS (all wheel steering) and Active ECS (electronically controlled suspension) . The GSX does not have those components , instead just having the same basic version of the AWD drivetrain found in the E/T/L cars. The GVR4 also other amenaties not found in the GSX , such as power leather seats , though they may have been an option. The GSX is also only available in 5-spd , the GVR4 had both AT and 5-spd's as options , but the GSX does get the GVR4's same 5-spd tranny , which is the more desirable swap in the DSM world , because of its taller 1st gear.
What the GSX lacks for power can be quickly rectified with a turbo engine and ECU swap , in which case I'm a firm beleiver that the GSX would be the faster car , given the fact it ends up being about 200 lbs lighter then the GVR4 , due to not having the AWS and AECS , and less heavy interior parts ( power seats weigh a LOT ) . The GSX is even rarer than the GVR4 , and also the only non-turbo AWD car Mitsubishi imported here. I can't get any definite production numbers on the GGSX , but I own the only one I've ever seen in Colorado.

The GVR-4 does not have Active ECS
The GVR-4 does not have power seats, nor was it an option
The GVR-4 came only in 5spd in the USA
The GVR-4 has a different 5spd tranny than the GGSX, and actually, the confusion has cost a lot of people damage to their rear diff. (wrong ratio)
The Mitsubishi Expos were also non-turbo AWD

Other than that, your facts are for the most part, correct.

drew
Galant VR-4 #872/1000

I too have a FACTORY REPAIR MANUAL from Mitsubishi within arms reach, as well as a CAPS CD, and something you don't have... A Galant VR-4.

P.S. The Galant VR-4 folk are laughing at you here http://www.galantvr4.org/ubb/ultimat...c;f=3;t=002953

[tof]

Originally Posted by RockinWRX

Nope , sorry , YOU are wrong. I really hate people that try to tell me what my car has in it , especially when I have the FACTORY REPAIR MANUAL from Mitsubishi corporation itself...

You may be right about the pistons. There are such things. Common in tractors. Also in unsleeved aluminum block engines (to reduce the friction that aluminum on aluminum creates). However, since your block is cast iron, I don't see why Mitsubishi would have chosen anything other than aluminum for the pistons. Nor do I think you would have a 7K redline with iron slugs.

As to the rest...

I guess somebody stole my power seat adjusters. Because my Galant VR4 seats adjust manually. Pretty much like every other Galant VR4 sold in the US.

AECS was never an option on US spec GVR4s. Even the Mitsubishi US dealer brochure does not list AECS as an option. The only options on the GVR4 were the sun roof, a sun roof visor, a graphic equalizer and a CD player.

ALL US market Galant VR4s came with a 5 speed manual. See above.

In the interest of avoiding drama I will not mention the unique repair manual storage option suggested by at least one member of the galantvr4.org site after reading your posts. Instead I will say simply that people like you who think they know it all are very annoying to those of us who actually do.

TOF

[jonvr4]

Learn a little more about this subject before you open your mouth, you no talent ass clown!

[b18c4door]

RockinWRX -

1) If you didnt see that post by Mark and realize that he owned a gvr4, I think thats a sign for you right there to shut up.

2)I do know a little about gvr4s too - having owned 8 gvr4's makes me qualified tell you the following:

- NONE of the USDM gvr4s came with AECS
- NONE of the USDM gvr4s had power seats -all gvr4s came with black leather. I know of one person who bought his gvr4 with tan leather, but the previous owner had done that to the car
- ALL of them were 5 speeds.

If you still think you are the shiznit, come to the galantvr4.org post mentioned above and try telling us that. If you do decide to do that, I would strongly suggest that you.....please bring the vaseline, else I hope you have a strong threshold for pain! mmmm, you sure are purdy! squeal like a little pig, boy!!!!!!

[RockinWRX]

I love people who don't have a single clue about the cars they drive , and try to tell ME , who has been working on DSM's and Galant's for about 5 yrs , what is in them. I have the factory correct manuals for the ENTIRE 89-92 Galant line , which shows me power seats , AECS in the GVR4 , AWS , iron pistons in the NT 4G63 (with a 7000 rpm redline also) and other things that all you idiots are trying to tell me does not exist. So whatever , I don't really care. Wallow in your own stupidity , but don't force it on others. Especially when they know better.

[RockinWRX]

Originally Posted by turbowop

Hey fuckstick....you may have a factory repair manual within arms reach but I have my GVR4 within my arms reach and it ain't got power seats or AECS. Don't even try to argue with me or the other 3000 USDM GVR4 owners that know better. See the pic in my sig? Yeah...hello? Duh... that's my GVR4. You're as bad as the parts guy at Shucks that tried to tell me GVR4's have automatics. Sorry buddy...not in the U.S..

Again you prove your own stupidity. I've personally worked on 2 automatic GVR4's. Maybe you need to do a little research before you open your big stupid mouth.

[RockinWRX]

Originally Posted by jonvr4

Learn a little more about this subject before you open your mouth, you no talent ass clown!

I'm not the no talent ass clown. Apparently you are , since you don't have a clue.

[RockinWRX]

Originally Posted by tof

You may be right about the pistons. There are such things. Common in tractors. Also in unsleeved aluminum block engines (to reduce the friction that aluminum on aluminum creates). However, since your block is cast iron, I don't see why Mitsubishi would have chosen anything other than aluminum for the pistons. Nor do I think you would have a 7K redline with iron slugs.

WRONG , it has the same 7000 rpm redline as the T motor , with the same iron block. Are you stupid or what.

As to the rest...

I guess somebody stole my power seat adjusters. Because my Galant VR4 seats adjust manually. Pretty much like every other Galant VR4 sold in the US.

AECS was never an option on US spec GVR4s. Even the Mitsubishi US dealer brochure does not list AECS as an option. The only options on the GVR4 were the sun roof, a sun roof visor, a graphic equalizer and a CD player.

ALL US market Galant VR4s came with a 5 speed manual. See above.

In the interest of avoiding drama I will not mention the unique repair manual storage option suggested by at least one member of the galantvr4.org site after reading your posts. Instead I will say simply that people like you who think they know it all are very annoying to those of us who actually do.
Oh sorry , I guess since I've worked on them personally , I'm clueless. There's prolly a reason I'm not a member of the wannabe GalantVr4.org club. I suspect its because they are a bunch of idiots. I could care less what they think.