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#1
03-21-2003, 10:13 PM
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h22a w/parts
alright, i'm almost done saving up for an h22a to swap into my car. i'm still not 100% sure about the swap yet cuz i still have to figure out prices and stuff.
anyways, i only have a greddy catback exhaust on my car right now. if i get a swap, am i going to be able to keep that? also, since the f22a (accord) and h22a are so similar, can i use f22a intakes and headers on prelude engines? what parts are interchangable, and which parts definately CAN'T be mixed. the reason i want to know, is because there are some things that i want to get now and i don't want to have to buy another one if i DO get the h22a swap. there are: short shifter intake headers yeah, thats pretty much it. if you can dish out a little more info. about anything related, that would be great also, cuz i'm trying to figure out as much as i can before i spend 3k! oh yeah, also. i live in MD. which is the way for me to actually get hold of a h22a JDM motor. should i buy it online or go to a shop? how would the whole process work? does the shop take my request and buy an h22a and inspect it for me? not too comfortable with putting it in myself, and everyone that has done swaps are all b16's into civics. does anyone know a good place to get this done? approximate prices (swap and engine). i know this is pretty long, and probably not that coherent  . but if anyone could help out with any related info, MUCH THANKS!!!
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03-22-2003, 05:26 AM
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Thats alot of questions, but I guess I'll take a stab at what I know. You will be able to keep the catback, worse comes to worse you will probably have to bring it into a muffler shop and have them modify it (wont cost much). As for the intake, my buddy has a 93 h22a accord and he used a AEM intake for the accord and it fit fine, I'm not sure after that body stlyle change though. Headers for your car will not fit on a h22a. I'm not sure about the short shifter but I am thinking no, I could be wrong though. There are not lots of parts interchangeable with the h22a like a b series motor. The closest motor is prob the f22a, but it will only be a few parts, and just the little things. Pricewise you are better off ordering online, just reseach what you are buying. If you had a shop with a bunch of h22a's laying around you could hand pick one but I doubt there is a place like that by you. Do a search on the net and piece together a list of all the parts you will need to complete the swap. There is nothing worse than getting halfway through and having to put the project on hold because of lack of the appropriate parts.
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03-23-2003, 09:55 AM
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thanks for the info! when/if i get the h22a, i'm just going to do the basic bolt ons, (intake and header). if i buy the intake and headers for the prelude, will i have to modify them to fit the body style of my accord? will i need any special parts for the exhaust and header to work well. what about a cold air?
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03-23-2003, 12:39 PM
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Maxspeed pretty much nailed it intake sure,cat back custom,shortshifter,if they both have cable it should work,but I'm not sure if your Accord does,so maybe.But IMO you shouldn't waste any money buying "maybe" parts for your car.Save up and buy the parts for the motor you're getting and drop it all at the same ime,there is no point in doing the work twice.
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03-23-2003, 03:01 PM
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03-25-2003, 04:01 PM
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alright, i'm gonna save up for everything and buy everything at once. thanks for the help! i still have a couple more questions though, haha.
1st. What are some reliable places to buy an engine online? 2nd. Is it worth it to buy the 220HP version over the 200HP h22a? 3rd. How easy is the swap to do? I have a friend that has done some B series into civics, but has never done a h22a into accord. On a 1-10 scale (10 being the hardest), where is the B and h22a swap? 4th. Any good sites to read w/some good information. IE EVERYTHING i do, the swap itself... 5th. Is there anything i should do w/the engine before the swap while it's out of my car? i think that covers it for now. again, thanks alot for replies!
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03-25-2003, 11:28 PM
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if you want the best reliability goto a local shop and have them order one for you. thats what ill be doing when i drop my car off at the shop. as far as difficulty, i have no idea, but im paying someone else to do it so i could care less how hard it is.
id say go for the regular h22 and put in type-s cams. and before installation you should do any internal mods you want. cams, springs, rods, etc. theyll be easily accessible, and the fluids are already drained. as well as getting a new timing belt, water pump and clutch kit... unless they come nearly brand new.
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04-05-2003, 01:05 PM
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if you get a catback, then get the accord one, but you may as well have it custom made.
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04-05-2003, 01:22 PM
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As for my insight....
I don't know a whole lot of online sites for motors, personally I wouldn't order one through there. I went down to Miami to a place that specializes in Honda swaps and I just picked out the one I wanted and put it in the truck. My friend has a 92 accord with the h22a SH swap that he did the same thing. It runs low 14's with I/H/E and full trim. I agree that you are better off getting a h22a and switching the cams. My friend said the SH motor was a nightmare to wire to the accord. Other that that, it should drop in without many problems if you are mechanically inclined. If not, I'd have a mechanic do it. While the motor is out, you should replace the water pump and DEFINATLEY the clutch. My clutch went after a month of having put the motor in. And if you plan on building it up, save some money and do that while it is out as well. Anyhow, good luck!
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04-06-2003, 08:43 PM
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Yep you got the idea. If that's the route you plan to go, then save that 300-400 bucks and put it to the turbo. Plus I mean you are looking at the MOST of a 10 hp gain between the two give or take. A built h22a turbocharged is a potent thing, I'd say go for it.
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#13
04-06-2003, 10:28 PM
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aaalright, i'm starting to get it...what EXACTLY do i need to mod/replace when people say "building up the internals" for FI? where can i get these parts and how much will it cost on just building up the engine?
i heard about the h23 and turbocharging. it's non vtec, and it has around the same TQ as the h22a, but i've heard that it's a "torquey monster" and things like that? why do ppl say that since the TQ specs are about the same? i've also heard that vtec and turbo (ideally) work very well together, however there can be many problems and troubleshooting when trying to make them work in conjunction, is this true? alright, i'll try to tie it all up! if i turbocharge the h22 and the h23, will the h22 end up w/higher hp/tq since it started higher or will they be about the same? what kind of HP and 1/4 will i be looking at initially right after my swap and after FI. what about swap w/o FI but with basic bolt ons? haha, i have so many more questions, and everytime i think of a swap, i have new ones but i keep on forgetting them. maybe i should write them down! well, for anyone who can stand reading all this, and can help out, thanks alot! you've all been such a big help so far!
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04-07-2003, 10:43 AM
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Alright, as far as building it up it depends on how far you want to go. Basics are pistons, rings, rods, valves, springs, and retainers. From there you could get a new crankshaft and sleeve the block. Oh and the h22a is notorious for weak ring lands, so you would want to take care of that. It can run you anywhere from 1000-5000. If you plan to run lower boost though, you will be alright. I am not sure why people say that about the torque but I have heard it as well. Vtec and turbo can work together well although the vtec more useful in NA apps. I have not had any problems with the vtec and turbo together yet. You just have to watch the air/fuel, mine tends to lean out when vtec engages. You should end up with higher number turbochargeing the h22a rather than h23. FI will prob give you around 250ish depending on boost level and how its tuned. 1/4 vary with turbo cars so I couldnt give you an estimate there. NA however should get you in the 14's.
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04-07-2003, 04:40 PM
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alright, maxspeedhonda, what level of boost is considered "low boost"? what can i do about running lean when vtec kicks in (what do you do)? i was trying to get to about 275-300HP (hopefully more! want the fastest accord around). which kind of turbo should i get if i want these numbers? the t3/t4? also, what's a good turbo kit?
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