firebird vs eclipse

[flyguy86]

i have a 97 v6 firebird and i was wondering how my car would do against an eclipse. One of my friends has a 99 eclipse gs spyder. My other friend has a 96 gsx. Im pretty sure i couold take the gs but would the gsx beat me? The only mod i have is a cold air intake.

[idunno]

gsx would beat u, but u could take the other one

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by idunno
gsx would beat u, but u could take the other one

i agree

[YogsVR4]

The GSX will be tough for you to hang with.

[PWMAN]

If the guy in the GSX knows how to drive it he will SMOKE YOU! Trust me those things are fast, I barely beat one in my 350 HP truck. Well, I wasn't really trying hard, I left it shift normally - which is shifting at 5K RPM. If I really want to race I shift it manually and take each gear to 6500 RPM.
I agree though you should beat the GS, especially a spyder cuz they are heavy.

[TatII]

the GS spyder is powered by a dohc 2.0 liter neon motor making 140hp. the GSX is powered by a near indestructable turbo 4 cyclinder that can handle atleast 25 lbs of boost on stock internals with the combined traction off the line from its AWD. stock he will beat you by a good amount. if he has mods even just bolt ons, he will murder you becuase those cars are really really detuned from the factory. just bolting stuff on will net you over 300hp.

[Jimster]

The Spyder is a silly little pose car- you'll eat it- but the GSX- from what I hear about them would trash the Firebird I'm afraid

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by TatII
the GSX is powered by a near indestructable turbo 4 cyclinder that can handle atleast 25 lbs of boost on stock internals

Too bad the turbo can only put out 16 PSI

[TatII]

yes 16psi is what it can do. but you can actually get it to hit 19psi. but thats only for a split second though.

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by TatII
yes 16psi is what it can do. but you can actually get it to hit 19psi. but thats only for a split second though.

Yeah I heard 18 PSI for more than a couple seconds and it roasts.
Of course once you change the stock puny turbo, then you got potential. I wonder why they put such a small turbo on it, even my Daytona has a T3 that can handle 21 PSI in stock trim.

[Twyzz]

the spyder has a 2.4l actually. it's the 4g64, made espically for the gs spyder. the GSX will smoke you dude. AWD 210 hp? out of a light car?

[AirAllen01]

Depends on what the GS has. Just an intake and exhaust and the GS could beat a stock v6 firebird. My friend's 96 GS hung with mustang gt until the mustang kicked it in 3rd. But the GSX is gonna put you over a fire and roast you like a marshmellow. Those suckers are fast.

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by Twyzz
the GSX will smoke you dude. AWD 210 hp? out of a light car?

I wouldn't call it a light car. Plus a GS-T is faster cuz of less losses in the drivetrain. Of course off the line the GSX will win, but after 100 feet there goes the GST. The GSX looses 40-50 HP through the drivetrain, GST looses like 20-25. So for example on the highway already going 60 MPH, the GST will smoke the GSX.

[RockinWRX]

Originally posted by PWMAN

I wouldn't call it a light car. Plus a GS-T is faster cuz of less losses in the drivetrain. Of course off the line the GSX will win, but after 100 feet there goes the GST. The GSX looses 40-50 HP through the drivetrain, GST looses like 20-25. So for example on the highway already going 60 MPH, the GST will smoke the GSX.

I begs to differ. I used to race a guy with a nicely modded 97 GST. I had a 92 Eclipse GSX. I could smoke him off the line hardcore , and he would NEVER catch up. May have something to do with the 92's having a much bigger turbo stock , I dunno. But I also beleive that the drivetrain loses on the GSX aren't as high as you think they are. If fact the AWD drivetrain gives the GSX more of an advantage all around , because ALL the wheels contribute to driving the car , not just 2. Not to mention there is not much difference in weight between the 2 cars , depending on the years built. Heres a list of the curb weights of all the DSM's
http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q...htm#curbweight

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by RockinWRX


I begs to differ. I used to race a guy with a nicely modded 97 GST. I had a 92 Eclipse GSX. I could smoke him off the line hardcore , and he would NEVER catch up. May have something to do with the 92's having a much bigger turbo stock , I dunno. But I also beleive that the drivetrain loses on the GSX aren't as high as you think they are. If fact the AWD drivetrain gives the GSX more of an advantage all around , because ALL the wheels contribute to driving the car , not just 2. Not to mention there is not much difference in weight between the 2 cars , depending on the years built. Heres a list of the curb weights of all the DSM's
http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q...htm#curbweight

Hmm, you have a good point. I like hearing peoples experience rather than just opinion. I have never owned a GST or GSX, I have had a ride in a 320 WHP GST though, that was nice. Yeah I know the 1G's have a better head, I looked into buying an eclipse once and came across this. Something about you can boost a 1G more, the 2G will blow the head off. Maybe it has something to do with the size of the studs? do you know? I guess the GSX doesn't follow the same guidelines as a WRX, cuz I know the WRX looses like 60 horses by the time it hits the ground. And you are right about AWD's having more advantages, like cornering and wet traction and other weather traction.