H22A into 5th gen

[94tegRS]

ok, I am looking inot purchasing a 94-95(tails are better IMO) sedan and have found decent ones for about 4-5k

I found the complete H22A swap for 3100. anyone know of where it is cheaper?

also what all is neede as far as modification. I am under the asumption that it is relatively easy(if you have some mechanical knowledge that is).

well, the most involved engine work ive done is rings, honed the ctlinders and put on new pushrod tubes on since I was there, but it was one a VW bug(I have tore down and re-assembled a old 383 in shop class but it never ran to begin with so i dont know if i did it right). my neighbor however has been woking on cars his whole life about, he still goes out almost everyday and does something to one of his cars in the driveway.(he gets em cheap or free, gets em running and sells em) he really knows what he is doing.

I think I could get him to help me though, cuz he always offers to help but ive never needed it yet on any of my vehicles.


so do you think one adult mechanic and a 19 year old kid could do this swap. between us we have the tools(about 99% sure of that at least), and the time so that is no problem.


since the engine is going to be out already I am gonna install a lightened flywheel and new clutch so I dont have to retake out this engine until I have gone through the WHOLE life of a clutch. I was also thinking of completely dissasembling the engine and just checking it over and getting new rings and bearings and the standard overhaul parts. but seeing as this engine will supposedly have under 50k miles and it is a honda, should i go through all the trouble or just put it in?

I also plan to get a JRSC soon after just in case that will change anyones decision of my above question.


I do have a question about electronics though. it says it comes with the wiring harness and the ECU. does the ecu in the car only control the engine so ill have no problem ditchoing the cars stock ecu for the ludes computer. or does the accord need its stock chip to do other things as well, like for the gauges to work, or anything. mainly my question is, is there lots of wiring modification?

and ive seen autos for alot cheaper, I think i could install the slave cylinder and the pedal assembly and such, but how hard is it top get the shift linkage to work nicely. it seems like you wouldnt be able to plop it right in the hole where the stick from the auto comes through and have it work. but it is a cable right, so then it will? or still not? or is it not even a cable?

sorry for so many questions, just want to know exactly what im getting into before i spend any money and start something i will regret.

[rabalero]

thats a lot of money for a h22 over here in california i bought mine for 2000gs!!!!!!!!! and for the swap of h22 in your accord i think you have to modify alot of things check this site www.H22.org that site is a good start!!:bandit:

[Killa_CRX]

It's www.h22a.com

So far I've read a lot about this swap, and it looks like it should be fairly simple to do on your own... at least I'm going to try if I end up getting an accord.

I still haven't found very much information on the ECU wiring though, but I can tell you from experience it's always best to use the ECU that's meant for the engine... in the H22A's case, you can't even use your accord ECU, cause they are a completely different series of engines.

For the wiring though, I would probably suggest buying a good manual for your car, and then one for the car that the engine comes from, and that way you'd be able to match up the differences on paper before trying to cut any wires.

And as for the auto-manual conversion... I've always been told it would be cheaper and easier to just buy 5speed instead of trying to convert over... at least it is with Civic's... if you haven't got the car yet, I would suggest going ahead and getting one that's already 5speed.

[94tegRS]

I know I cant use the accords ecu to control the prelude engine, but I was just wondering if it controlled things other than the engine, so when i ditch the accords in favor of the preludes computer will other things on my accord not work?

and I am gonna go look over those sites right now, thanks for the links.


and I think the reason they say that is you usually have to buy the car and then ditch your tranny to get a new one and spend all the time and money to install it, which usually adds up to more than a 5 speed originally. but no stock accords has the tranny I want to end up with so i dont think it works out quite the same, still probably cheaper to start with a stick.

say i buy a 5 speed for 5k and then get the swap for 2500, there is 7500(I know there will be more but just for this comparison)

I can find autos for like 3k, add the 2500 and there is still 2g's to convert. I guess it might be more trouble than its worth though.

but a stick will probably come along cheap like that sometime soon I hope

[wagsaccordsir]

This swap is a must, and quite frankly its probably one of the easiest swaps out there.

3100 dollars for a complete engine, tranny, axles, wiring harness, ecu, is kinda high. You should be paying more than 2500 for that stuff, now if your paying for installation thats a different story. That usually runs 500-1000 depending on where you go.

Seeing that you are dropping it in the 94-95 make sure you go OBD 1 which is a 92-96 H22. If your buying a 96-97, still stick with OBD 1. Its a much easier install when it come to wiring and the ecu is upgradable. OBD 2 kinda sucks, seeing that it can't be upgraded.

Technically you could still use your Accord Ecu, but it will map it to the F22 specs, so you wouldnt get the full potential of the H22. But you already know this.

You can use the Accord tranny for a clean drop in, but recommend using the H22 tranny as it will hold the power better. Seeing that you will most like use the H22 tranny you will have to shave the right side motor mount. Thats it.. The H22 is a direct drop in in the 94-97 Accords. Bottom Line!

You will be able to keep your AC if you wish, your Power Steering is up to you. Onc ethe F22 is out unhook the power steering line and take that and the H22 power steering pump side and take em down and have the hoses put together at a some kind of pressure hose shop. Your local auto store can fill you in on where it can be doen in your local area. To keep Power Steering this is a must. Other wise the F22 hose & bracket will not fit on the H22 Pump

Wiring can be difficult if you don't know the pin-outs on the ECU, to get this I recommend getting with your local Honda service or parts department to obtain the schematics. You will need both sets, one for the H22 and one for the F22, seeing that some of the wires will be different colors, this will help aid in getting them hooked up right.

You may need to replace a sensor or two here and there as some get damaged in shipment. No biggie though!

I definately would upgrade your clutch while you are doing the swap, so much easier. However if you wait, you don't have take out the engine to do redo the clutch, you just drop the tranny, it takes all of but maybe 2-3 hours given the right tools.

Thats all I got time for as I'm on my way out the door to go to work.

This swap is a cinch and yeas it can be doen by yourself and an experienced mechanic..

As with any swap, it is never perfect, you will have kinks for a few months afterwards this is normal, no matter how good the install was.

If you have any questions email me at [email protected] as I have accomplished this swap and love it, I woudnt want anything else...

I will try and get back to you later, but I have been really busy lately so be patient. I will further try and get you a extensive list of websites that sell this engine much cheaper than what your being told. Peace and Good Luck...

[94tegRS]

I found it for 2300 bucks. but I also just found 92 civic sedan 5 speed for 800 bucks. I might be going with that since it is so cheap. and either a B18C1 SC'ed or If i feel lucky I might try CRVTEC. then when I find an integra for a good price I can put it right in with no problem. I had a 94rs but cant find any good ones for cheap enough right now, or for the last 4 months. its like they went up in value since the 6 months ago i sold mine.

but I want one again.

[wagsaccordsir]

Stick with the H22 man!! I promise you will love it!!

[Atariallstar]

an h22 swap into an accord is pretty easy. but in my case its made incredibly difficult because my car is an auto and its being changed into a 5spd. which basically requires everything a 5spd accord has. so im in the process of having my car takin to the shop right now.. and the shop is searchin the auction block and junkyards for totalled accords that i can use parts from to make my swap that much easier. in the meantime while the accord is forming a blanket of dirt on it....im enjoyin my lil hatchback. but i have no regrets on doin this swap....but i do not! recommend anyone tryin to convert there car to a 5spd if its auto...it makes the swap take so much longer to do if your not totally prepared.

[DemonicAccord]

if you don't do it you won't be cool

[xpel]

Originally posted by DemonicAccord
if you don't do it you won't be cool

Wow, an original Purehonda.com member still here......DemonicAccord have have you been???

[DemonicAccord]

fu sho, ima 'riginal PH member

[strodda]

Originally posted by Atariallstar
an h22 swap into an accord is pretty easy. but in my case its made incredibly difficult because my car is an auto and its being changed into a 5spd. which basically requires everything a 5spd accord has. so im in the process of having my car takin to the shop right now.. and the shop is searchin the auction block and junkyards for totalled accords that i can use parts from to make my swap that much easier. in the meantime while the accord is forming a blanket of dirt on it....im enjoyin my lil hatchback. but i have no regrets on doin this swap....but i do not! recommend anyone tryin to convert there car to a 5spd if its auto...it makes the swap take so much longer to do if your not totally prepared.

is it really that difficult? what parts are needed? i knew someone that got the conversion and i was told it took the shop 2 months before he got his car back. oh well, guess ill be sticking with a/t then.

[dutchaccord]

2 fingers up ur nose ........................i.e. verry easy

over here acomplete DIY swapcosts about eur 1700,-

JDM H22A
Tanny
ecu
rest parts


Stefan

edit: manualtomanualthatis :-)