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Supporting Mods
Referring to the mods in my signature, what supporting mods should I get for best performance/best way to keep my car running longer? The 3 mods in my signature are the ONLY mods I've made performance wise (no supporting mods). And I don't want to have like a chain of mods I have to make either (just a made up example: have to get new brakes to support the new pulley, then have to get new doors so the brakes fit right, then a new hood so the doors close properly, etc.) Any help would be great. Oh and one more thing, could you give me names of the best valued things to get? Thanks.
Got about 131,000 miles on the car if it matters.
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CURRENT: 1997 Grand Prix GTP Mods: U-bend/Res Delete 3.4" MSD 8.5mm TR6s ZZP 1.0 PCM 72mm TB w/ TB spacer WizAired CAI 3" DP w/ Borla Pro XS mufflers ================================ OLD: 1995 Dodge Stealth |
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Re: Supporting Mods
Boosting performance and increasing longevity don't normally go hand in hand. You have to eventually sacrifice one for the other. The more mods you perform, the more at risk you are of breaking things.
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Re: Supporting Mods
I know what your saying but I didn't mean it like that. I meant like having too much KR or other things like that.
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CURRENT: 1997 Grand Prix GTP Mods: U-bend/Res Delete 3.4" MSD 8.5mm TR6s ZZP 1.0 PCM 72mm TB w/ TB spacer WizAired CAI 3" DP w/ Borla Pro XS mufflers ================================ OLD: 1995 Dodge Stealth |
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Re: Supporting Mods
KR is caused by the PCM detecting knock, then retarding timing to eliminate it. Your best "bang for the buck" mods to do next would be a reprogrammed PCM and hi-flow cat. The reprogrammed PCM will have new calibrations for trans shift points, injector on-time, and reduced KR sensitivity, etc... Just make sure with that 3.4 pulley, you don't try to run regular unleaded. The car will run like crap, and you could grenade a piston (#4 is the most common one to go) due to increased spark knock/ping from the higher boost created by the smaller pulley.
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Re: Supporting Mods
If you are really concerned with Knock Retard - KR then you should invest in a scan gauge that monitors KR like many of us with modded GTPs do.
![]() What brand spark plugs and heat range are you currently using with the 3.4" pulley? Should be one or two ranges colder than stock.
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Re: Supporting Mods
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Hey Bob, I can't believe I forgot to include colder plugs. I've been having issues with AF being really slow and sometimes pausing and I forgot to include that, so thanks for the correction.
Tblake, that would seem to be the case. Airflow over the engine, as well as surface area help to some degree in cooling. Since #4 is in the rear (less airflow than #3 in the front) and in the center (less outside surface area than #2 and #6) it seems to be the one that gets hotter and fails first.
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Re: Supporting Mods
I appreciate you saying that Bob, but I would consider it a correction (and a valid one, thanks again). The plugs should have been mentioned first, as omitting them from the list of supporting mods could lead to catastophic engine failure with his current mods.
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Re: Supporting Mods
I need some quick spark plug help. On pfyc I have a choice of TR55 or TR6, which ones do I want? I'm getting them to go along with the MSD 8.5mm plug wires.
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CURRENT: 1997 Grand Prix GTP Mods: U-bend/Res Delete 3.4" MSD 8.5mm TR6s ZZP 1.0 PCM 72mm TB w/ TB spacer WizAired CAI 3" DP w/ Borla Pro XS mufflers ================================ OLD: 1995 Dodge Stealth |
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Re: Supporting Mods
With a 3.4 pulley, shouldn't the PCM be mod'd? Also what about the T-stat? A 180 will keep it cooler me thinks...
Thoughts?
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Re: Supporting Mods
Also, keep in mind these NGKs based on the number are the V Power and not Iridiums. The TR6 are in reality 1 1/2 times colder than the stock but that is fine.
As an alternative the Autolite Copper Core 605 are one range colder too but cheaper. Many of us with mods use the Autolites. 104 is two ranges colder.
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