NOOB 101; Where do you go to buy engines/ trannies for swaps etc...

[legend1011]

Silly question here, but where do you buy these more powerful engines at?

Also, from my reading it sounds like the B16 is the more popular for a 4th gen hatch... Is this an item I find at a junkyard? If so which car(s). How much do engines weigh anyway? I take it I will need a garage and a crank pulley? to put it in there and I'll have to swap out my tranny to handle the better engine as well.. lol

sorry for the noob style. I have a 1990 DX Hatch 5 Speed by the way (D15B2).

Could this engine beat a 2nd Gen Legend coupe 6-speed w/ a type II engine? just curious

[FrodoGT]

Ok, the b16a is a jdm engine. So no you wont find it in a junkyard ANYWHERE..unless you pull a b16a3 from a del sol vtec (not the si), which youll find once in your lifetime in a junkyard. The engine will weigh a little bit more but its nothing that you will really notice too much at all. You wont need a crank pulley, I think your talking about an engine hoist? Your tranny wont bolt up to the engine at all so yes you will need that among other things. There are a multitude of links you can find simply by searching for "b16 swap" in these forums.

There are also tons of links for importers to get the engine. But I hear very good things about www.hmotorsonline.com and I was going to use them but they didnt carry the particular engine I was in need of (d16z6 is domestic, not jdm :P)

and no.. i would think that the legend could take the d15b2..specially not the 6spd type 2

[legend1011]

Originally Posted by FrodoGT

Ok, the b16a is a jdm engine. So no you wont find it in a junkyard ANYWHERE..unless you pull a b16a3 from a del sol vtec (not the si), which youll find once in your lifetime in a junkyard. The engine will weigh a little bit more but its nothing that you will really notice too much at all. You wont need a crank pulley, I think your talking about an engine hoist? Your tranny wont bolt up to the engine at all so yes you will need that among other things. There are a multitude of links you can find simply by searching for "b16 swap" in these forums.

There are also tons of links for importers to get the engine. But I hear very good things about www.hmotorsonline.com and I was going to use them but they didnt carry the particular engine I was in need of (d16z6 is domestic, not jdm :P)

and no.. i would think that the legend could take the d15b2..specially not the 6spd type 2

Honestly, that seems kind of extreme and expensive for me. I guess I was just looking into upgrades I can do from parts I can get locally. Also Gas mileage and the fact that this car is a daily driver is important to me. I'm willing to give up a few MPG to get a better engine that I can haul in on days I feel like it. I guess what I'm getting at is I want to keep this car for a long time. If my engine were to go, then I'm just curious what my options would be. I wouldn't want to put the same boring engine in there.

What kind of MPG does a fully swapped b16 get anyway? I mean if you drove it one tank like an old man and the next tank you pushed the hell out of it Id be okay with. I'm mainly looking for a good compromise...

Is this possible? or am I looking at using this DX as a daily driver and should I look for a project car? hmm? not sure...

[legend1011]

I'm having a difficult time searching because I keep finding info about speed and what not. I'm looking for a comparison of MPG comparisons from engine to engine if I did a swap. It would be nice to know hard driving vs old man driving for each engine as well, but I doubht this info is even available.

I just realized what I would want to do. I want an engine that kicks the D15B2's ass (the one I currently have), but is not the fastest or most sought after. I also don't want to spend an arm and a leg especially because this would be my first swap. I'm mainly wanting to get my hands dirty (no pun) and put in an engine. I also am okay to lose up to 10 MPG if the engine kicked ass. I currently get about 40 in my DX 90 Hatch 5 speed and 30 would still be great if the car had some balls... Once I get the experience, I will look into the more complex and expensive engines (more popular)

Budget swap? I guess


Thanks too the help is appreciated.

[FrodoGT]

Go for a b18a/b. its non vtec but will have alot more torque than your setup and can be found very easily for cheap. Also, since its a b-series if you ever decide that it just idnt enough "oomph" you could easily swap a b16 or b18c in with minimal changes like the ecu and 4 vtec wires.

As far as mpg goes, my b16 crx with no ac at one point got 20-24mpg but after getting the wiring straightened out and with a little highway driving it hit 31 mpg every tank for about 10 tanks till I sold it..and I drove it like a bat out of hell. Now to compare, my hatch, with a d15b7 (from a 92-95 dx) has 10 more hp than yours in the 5g civic, but mine is being run on the stock dpfi injection so im gonna assume that 10hp is totally negated. I get 29-31 almost all city, with the ac on at all times. The crx never had ac. So really, I dont know what it gets all highway right now, Ive driven it a few hundred miles on the highway but it was when I got it and didnt know whether the tank was full or not, so I had no way to calculate it. But I guess at least im not buying premium.

[legend1011]

Originally Posted by FrodoGT

Go for a b18a/b. its non vtec but will have alot more torque than your setup and can be found very easily for cheap. Also, since its a b-series if you ever decide that it just idnt enough "oomph" you could easily swap a b16 or b18c in with minimal changes like the ecu and 4 vtec wires.

As far as mpg goes, my b16 crx with no ac at one point got 20-24mpg but after getting the wiring straightened out and with a little highway driving it hit 31 mpg every tank for about 10 tanks till I sold it..and I drove it like a bat out of hell. Now to compare, my hatch, with a d15b7 (from a 92-95 dx) has 10 more hp than yours in the 5g civic, but mine is being run on the stock dpfi injection so im gonna assume that 10hp is totally negated. I get 29-31 almost all city, with the ac on at all times. The crx never had ac. So really, I dont know what it gets all highway right now, Ive driven it a few hundred miles on the highway but it was when I got it and didnt know whether the tank was full or not, so I had no way to calculate it. But I guess at least im not buying premium.

Thanks for the info. Which cars are these b16 or b18c engines found in? Certain 4th gens? or new hondas/acuras?

I will do more research into this and feels like it would be a fun project. Thanks.

[Tony]

Click Here

One of the most useful swap posts right there.

Like Frodo said, you can pick up a B18A/B for fairly cheap, and they are pretty easy swaps. I'm currently in the middle of swapping a B18A1(from a 90-91 Integra) in my hatch, after its been sitting for about 4 yrs being neglected. I picked up a Motor mount kit off ebay for like $125 I think and the motor dropped in perfect. After the mounts got here, I found out they were Yonaka mounts still in the factory box unopened...they are $350 mounts.

I still have to go and run the wires for the MPFI swap, and a few other things here and there, and it will be time for the moment of truth.

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[Tony]

Yea, the whole thread is a good read. I just narrowed it down to Kris's post on Engine swaps...I have it bookmarked

[FrodoGT]

the b16's came from jdm (japanese domestic market) crx's and civics and integras. The b18c1 comes from usdm integra gsr's and then theres the c5 which is in the type-r integra.