Will be there a military conflicts in Middle East in this summer?

[Racer_Arab]

Hello there

Iran says that Israel might attack Hezbollah again to compensate itself because of it's failure in the last war, Syria is arming heavily and preparing itself for a war that might happen in this summer, Iran is already prepared for any conflict and I don't think any military attack on Iran will destroy the regime and specially if it was carried out by Americans or Israelis because of the general hate for american policy and specially of American heavy support of the war that lasted eight years between Saddam and Iran previously..

If Israel reattacks Hezbollah, it won't succeed and it will take a very long time to really harm Hezbollah infrastructure and destroying it is impossible.

If Israel or America attacks Iran, both will pay a heavy price and also Middle Easterns will pay a heavy price specially those in gulf reigion and I am sure that it is a war which will lead to failure and might even force Iran to publicly pursue Nuclear weapons. It would the most idiotic action to attack Iran from gulf because Iranian missiles that can be fired anywhere from Iran will fall on American army bases on gulf areas which are fixed and anti ships missiles will also be used to attack american navy,the only detterence to this strategic threat is anti missiles systems which is available in the american hands but the question is does it work against Iranian missiles? and I think the American army will use heavily aerial attacks and guided missiles like cruises missiles.

If Syria gets attacked, there is a high possibility that Syria will be occupied because of the weakness of the Syrian army, syrians do own a large stockpile of anti tank missiles which are helpful and also they have an array of missiles with different ranges that can reach anywhere in Israel like Scud missiles.

[highteknology]

and your point is...

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by highteknology

and your point is...

Nuke the Middle East that way there's nobody left to start a conflict?

If there is a conflict though...

opcorn:

[Racer_Arab]

and your point is...

My point is that military conflict with Iran is not going to be successful.

Nuke the Middle East that way there's nobody left to start a conflict?

If there is a conflict though...

Seriously, after the first Nuke, tens of thousands of missiles will be fired at who fired the Nuke, not only missiles would be fired, everything that can be fired will be fired and everything that can be thrown will be thrown.

[highteknology]

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

Seriously, after the first Nuke, tens of thousands of missiles will be fired at who fired the Nuke, not only missiles would be fired, everything that can be fired will be fired and everything that can be thrown will be thrown.

so basically, there would just be a bunch of sand flying all over the world?

[Racer_Arab]

so basically, there would just be a bunch of sand flying all over the world?

Human beings will be flying all over the world

[Muscletang]

So the Middle East blows itself up by this summer.
This fall the United States moves in and cleans up.
This winter the resorts and gas stations will be built.
Finally this time next year I'll be able to take a vacation to a beach house where gas is $0.25 a gallon?

Sounds good, come on Iran drop the bomb!

[highteknology]

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

Human beings will be flying all over the world

well duh, it takes to long to swim

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by highteknology

well duh, it takes to long to swim

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

My point is that military conflict with Iran is not going to be successful.

That kind of depends on what the military objective is.

[RSX-S777]

Whoa Arab racer...let's not get cocky. That's our job...

Any Middle Eastern "regime" considered hostile in existence this very moment can ABSOLUTELY be overthrown or crippled immeasurably by the U.S armed forces- especially in conjunction with Israel. The Arabs' dated and inferior military hardware, poorly trained, paid and disciplined conventional armies and easily penetrated borders make it easy (comparably). Iran's new torpedoes are not enough of a real deterrent, though they would have us think so. You can't fire them from a sunken ship- just like they can't fire missiles from a smoking crater. The real problem is occupation in the long term due to religious squabbling and "zealotry" (ie: your penchant for blowing yourselves up). All this said- simply because we could does not mean we should or will. I think the American public is getting tired of the shit...

Personally, I think we should have targeted Iran with a strong, unified international coalition instead of swooping down on a lame duck dictator like Saddam driven by faulty and doctored intelligence. At least we know Iran has capabilities.

But how much happier I would be ideally to see our greedy government develop alternative energy sources so we could end our persistent meddling in your region and let you get back to killing yourselves, fighting over this dust patch or that rock pile...

[Racer_Arab]

Iran's new torpedoes are not enough of a real deterrent, though they would have us think so. You can't fire them from a sunken ship- just like they can't fire missiles from a smoking crater. The real problem is occupation in the long term due to religious squabbling and "zealotry"

Iran has anti ship missiles that can be fired from a platform anywhere in Iran with a long range and I don't think U.S Air force is able to cover all Iranian soil unless it deploys all Aircrafts it has in the gulf and I believe that U.S armed force can harm Iranian army structure but who knows what will happen.

Personally, I think we should have targeted Iran with a strong, unified international coalition instead of swooping down on a lame duck dictator like Saddam driven by faulty and doctored intelligence. At least we know Iran has capabilities

Trageting Iran does have many consequences, it will force Shia Ayatollahs to state a Fatwa that calls for Jihad against American armed forces in Iraq, it might trigger a regional war and make Middle East turn into a war zone. Attacking Iran will harm everybody and no one will be benefitted and the Iranian regime is not going to be overthrown and even if it gets overthrown, another regime will be in power with exactly the same hate policy towards U.S.A unless U.S.A elects a president.

I believe the only solution to the problem is negotiation because Iran has the expertise to enrich uranium and is learning a lot from their nuclear research centers.

Peace

[RSX-S777]

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

Iran has anti ship missiles that can be fired from a platform anywhere in Iran with a long range and I don't think U.S Air force is able to cover all Iranian soil unless it deploys all Aircrafts it has in the gulf and I believe that U.S armed force can harm Iranian army structure but who knows what will happen.

It's possible the Iranians could launch an anti-ship missile, but keep in mind that the U.S. has plenty of special forces in the area, advanced defensive missile systems and more than enough attack aircraft to lessen this threat dramatically. Saddam seemed to think his SCUD missiles were an enormous deterrent in the first gulf war. No one weapon can win a war unless we move into the realm of nuclear warfare...

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

Trageting Iran does have many consequences, it will force Shia Ayatollahs to state a Fatwa that calls for Jihad against American armed forces in Iraq, it might trigger a regional war and make Middle East turn into a war zone. Attacking Iran will harm everybody and no one will be benefitted and the Iranian regime is not going to be overthrown and even if it gets overthrown, another regime will be in power with exactly the same hate policy towards U.S.A unless U.S.A elects a president.

I think the consequences are very clear. I suppose we would have to weigh them against the threat to our interests posed by an Iranian regime with a nuclear arsenal.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

I believe the only solution to the problem is negotiation because Iran has the expertise to enrich uranium and is learning a lot from their nuclear research centers.

I'm not sure. I personally don't think Ahmadinejad's inflammatory rhetoric is widely accepted as the type of invitation to negotiation to which we or our allies in the region would respond. I think he shot himself in the foot with the anti-semitic ranting. I also have a hard time believing his nuclear program is being developed for purely peaceful purposes.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

Peace

We can hope.

[Racer_Arab]

It's possible the Iranians could launch an anti-ship missile, but keep in mind that the U.S. has plenty of special forces in the area, advanced defensive missile systems and more than enough attack aircraft to lessen this threat dramatically. Saddam seemed to think his SCUD missiles were an enormous deterrent in the first gulf war. No one weapon can win a war unless we move into the realm of nuclear warfare...

There is a very big difference between Iraqi Army and Iranian Army, many of the Iraqi armed forces didn't fight and there were no Fatwas calling for Jihad against Americans by Ayatollahs in Iraq which has majority Shia and many were looking for freedom and getting out of Iraqi regime opression



I don't think U.S Air force can wipe out the Iranian missle threat unless it uses all of it's Fighter jets from many if not all bases in the Gulf which will drag the region to a regional war and this is what Gulf states presidents are afraid of, Kuwait refuses any attack on Iran from it's land, actually all gulf states don't want war, I might be underestimating U.S Air force but I am wondering if IAF or Israeli Air Force couldn't wipe out Katyausha threat despite South Lebanon is very small, how U.S Air force would do that to Iran and you know that Iran's area is 636,300 mi², also Iran is threatening to close Strait of Hormoz by firing mines within hours and it takes years to erase the mines and you know what this will do, this will make the price of oil goes more than 200$ for gallon.

About Patriot system and the other anti missiles systems, who knows if they would work or not, Iran claims to have missiles that can not be detected by radars and if I am not mistaken, the missile is made of a subtance that can absorb radiowaves and don't reflect it like Stealth bombers.

I agree with you that U.S Army can give a hard blow to Iranian Army and Iranian infrasturcture but Iran can bite also.

I think the consequences are very clear. I suppose we would have to weigh them against the threat to our interests posed by an Iranian regime with a nuclear arsenal.

That's why I think Iran is going to be attacked soon because they rather attack Iran with no nuclear weapons than with nuclear weapons.

I'm not sure. I personally don't think Ahmadinejad's inflammatory rhetoric is widely accepted as the type of invitation to negotiation to which we or our allies in the region would respond. I think he shot himself in the foot with the anti-semitic ranting. I also have a hard time believing his nuclear program is being developed for purely peaceful purposes.

I don't think Iran will accept to halt it's nuclear acitivities even if it gets attacked, it might publicly pursue nuclear weapons if attacked and the regime can not be toppled without a ground invasion and U.S army don't want a ground invasion, they can't even impose security in the safest region in Baghdad which is called green zone and mortars fell on green zone many times.

We can hope.

I hope so

[RSX-S777]

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

There is a very big difference between Iraqi Army and Iranian Army, many of the Iraqi armed forces didn't fight and there were no Fatwas calling for Jihad against Americans by Ayatollahs in Iraq which has majority Shia and many were looking for freedom and getting out of Iraqi regime opression

I thought we were talking about the missile threat, not the zealotry of the Iranian suicide squads. There is the sticking point. While we can take out Iran's military infrastructure, we can't put a lid on religious extremism, and the Ayatollahs know it. That is their greatest weapon.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

I don't think U.S Air force can wipe out the Iranian missle threat unless it uses all of it's Fighter jets from many if not all bases in the Gulf which will drag the region to a regional war and this is what Gulf states presidents are afraid of, Kuwait refuses any attack on Iran from it's land, actually all gulf states don't want war, I might be underestimating U.S Air force but I am wondering if IAF or Israeli Air Force couldn't wipe out Katyausha threat despite South Lebanon is very small, how U.S Air force would do that to Iran and you know that Iran's area is 636,300 mi², also Iran is threatening to close Strait of Hormoz by firing mines within hours and it takes years to erase the mines and you know what this will do, this will make the price of oil goes more than 200$ for gallon.

We can launch from Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Quatar and the Gulf. Bombers from Germany if necessary. You are indeed underestimating U.S. air power- not to mention Israeli air power. Katyusha rockets are very different from large missiles as they are far more mobile and inconspicuously transported. The fact that Israel can't prevent all Katyushas from being fired Indiscriminately has no bearing on their, or our, ability to destroy larger targets, be it a SCUD or Iran's new "wonder missile". Same goes for mine layers. Which, consequently, would be the most self-destructive thing Iran could do. If they want to cripple their own economy and eradicate their main source of revenue, by all means, they should sow mines.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

About Patriot system and the other anti missiles systems, who knows if they would work or not, Iran claims to have missiles that can not be detected by radars and if I am not mistaken, the missile is made of a subtance that can absorb radiowaves and don't reflect it like Stealth bombers.

I'm not aware that the Iranians had stealth technology, but it's possible, I suppose. Maybe via our Russian "allies". Even so, you have to get that missile in the air for it to be effective. You can bet our military is actively tracking any of these mobile transports they can find should the need to strike pre-emptively arise. Before the Gulf War Navy SeALs and Delta operatives were tracking SCUD launchers in the desert, waiting to paint them with laser designators.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

I agree with you that U.S Army can give a hard blow to Iranian Army and Iranian infrasturcture but Iran can bite also.


That's why I think Iran is going to be attacked soon because they rather attack Iran with no nuclear weapons than with nuclear weapons...

That's true. I don't think we will attack, however. Much of the American public has had enough of the war and Mr. Bush. War with Iran would be a tough sell at this point...unless it was supported by a very strong alliance who contributed funding, material and troops for long-term security.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

I don't think Iran will accept to halt it's nuclear acitivities even if it gets attacked, it might publicly pursue nuclear weapons if attacked and the regime can not be toppled without a ground invasion and U.S army don't want a ground invasion, they can't even impose security in the safest region in Baghdad which is called green zone and mortars fell on green zone many times.

You're right, destruction is easy. Security is the tough part. Let's hope there can be some compromise.

Originally Posted by Racer_Arab

I hope so

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