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Old 11-08-2006, 09:37 PM   #1
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Question T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

Well if you have been reading my other threads you know I'm thinking of getting into drag racing so I want to get rid of the stock turbo, but I dont need something thats huge and unreliable. I'm looking for a quick spooling turbo b/c the strip's only 1/8mi. My goal is about 300hp. with the least amount of mods possible and I dont plan on booting past 20psi..
Hahn Super 16G ($700)
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Manifold that I would get for the T28
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/89-99...48343535QQrdZ1
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:52 PM   #2
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

Tubular manifolds are wasted money at 300 hp. The t28 would be nice because its a direct bolt on, but they cost so much that I would just get a 16g and install kit. Get yourself a Big 16g, solid 300 hp turbo IMO and much cheaper than either of those. Note the Hahn turbo is a t3 flange.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

^Oh, I forgot the hahn also comes with a manifold at no extra cost.
http://www.hahnracecraft.com/hahn/pa...20Manifold.htm
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

Evo III FTW
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:10 PM   #5
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

You have pretty much the same mods i do right now. I came here with the intentions of a t28, but was sold on the evo3 16G even quicker. I have a t25 at the moment and of course we all find out thats too slow. From what ive read for a few hundred dollars less and a few hours more you can convert this garrett setup to a mitsu setup with the potential for upward towards 400hp. You're going to have to do the same upgrades (550 injectors, 190lb fuel pump, AFC etc.) as you would with a evo3, so why not go bigger. Any Hp you accomplish you will get tired of it eventually. At least with the EVO3 you will have the potential to make a little more power until deciding ona bigger turbo. Anyway thats the conclusion ive come to after a months research on both products. I would just rather buy the EVO rather than the t28 and getting bored with it and switching to evo anyway.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

with the evo III you'll need at least 680cc's and link
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Old 11-09-2006, 12:19 AM   #7
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

Not to be giving out false info or knockin people with more experience but i thought 550 were good to 400 hp and the SAFC was sufficient for this. It wouldnt be the first time i was wrong, but i was under the impression 190 fuel pump 550 injectors, data logger and SAFC were the minimum requirements for the EVO 3. If not maybe i should be looking into a smaller turbo myself seeing as i already purchased these items.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

Scott's right for the most part, you'll need bigger than 550s (680s are good) but you don't *need* link. While you're upgrading, you might as well get the 255 vs. the 190, it's not that much more expensive and if you ever want to upgrade, it's one less thing to worry about. You'll be able to get the car running decently with the safc, but you won't be able to full tune, it's more of a general tune with the safc. And I also say go with the E316g
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

So with the 550s 190 fuel pump and SAFC Neo, and datal logger what turbo would yall suggest? Ive already ordered them so i guess theres no turning back. Unfortunately i was under the impression that those would work but i guess its better to know now than when im ready to install and tune everything. Maybe a big 16G or a big t28? I was also planning on 300-350hp.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

You'll be able to run a e316g with those mods, but you run the chance of maxing out the injectors and pump, something that I would rather not run into. If you keep the boost down, you'll be just fine as long as you don't run the piss out of it.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

17-20 psi is all i would be running, is that too much? I plan on keepin the IDC in the safe 90 zone give or take.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

The reason I said link is because the cost of the afc neo and a logger is not much different than an eprom ecu and link. If you can I would try and return what you have and get bigger. Its not a matter of making the most hp you can, but more a matter of not having your fuel system maxed out during daily driving and giving yourself some room to work with
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

That does make sense, i guess just cause you can doesnt mean you should. Would 18-20 psi daily be a conservative amount, or would it be pushing it with that setup, i definately dont want to run into fuel cut? If that sounds too risky maybe i should look into a big 16G or smaller with a little less flow than the evo3. But returning all of that stuff would cost a restocking fee and some of it was bought over a month ago, so im probably just going to stick with this stuff.
Not to try to take over the original posters thread, but im learning as i go along too, so no offence.
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

I think I'm going with the T28 so then I don't need to really do fuel mods because I'll probably just keep the boost at 14psi (stock) because I'm just trying to build something that is a little faster than a stock or slightly moded Evo
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Re: T28 w/ tub. manifold vs. hahn super 16G

Wont be able to do that on a t28 and 14 psi. The Evo IX turbo flows a bit better than an Evo III 16g and IIRC they are set at 16 stock.
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