is it worth it??

[rajiv66]

is the enzo really worth $1,000,000+?? I mean come on its so stupid. No dought its arguably the best ferrari made and ferraris were never known as an average persons car but i think its WAY overpriced just like all the other models. for about $400,000 you could get a Saleen s7 thatll hit 60 in 2.9 sec and rip an enzo apart. I know its a dam FERRARI but all ur paying for is that little badge in front, back, and on the sides of the car. And its not like its the fastest car in the world. It has WAAAAY TO MANY COMPUTERS IN IT. I MEAN THE CAR IS LITTERALLY IN CONTROLL OF YOU.

[mr_tw]

you pay for the technology, such as the carbon ceramic brakes, the F1 derrived transmission, all the carbonfiber body, the computer controlled varable downforcespilers and underbody diffusers, and then there is always the money that is a donation to the Ferrari F1 Race team

[mr_tw]

and the only computers are the varable downforce ABS and the engine computers the car dosent even come with stability control (but correct me if i'm wrong)

[TexasF355F1]

You get a Ferrari, which has a strong racing history and heritage. An S7 will not rip an Enzo apart. Look at the stats. 0-60 times do not mean shit on the track. The enzo handles far better on the track. Besides if you wanna talk overpriced...who wants to put down 450K for what's basically a Ford. With a design that has aspects from all previous supercars.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

You get a Ferrari, which has a strong racing history and heritage. An S7 will not rip an Enzo apart. Look at the stats. 0-60 times do not mean shit on the track. The enzo handles far better on the track. Besides if you wanna talk overpriced...who wants to put down 450K for what's basically a Ford. With a design that has aspects from all previous supercars.

Well, the Saleen S7 has won nearly 40 races around the world, but the Enzo-based Maserati MC12 has won several races since 2004. Ferrari isn't into sports car racing like they used to be. Saleen Mustangs have won sports car races, but obviously not to the level of even recent Ferraris 550s/575s.

The Saleen S7 was an all-new design. A 1,000 hp Saleen S7 Twin Turbo is now available from the factory.

Road & Track June 2003:

As the factory tour continues, it starts to become obvious why the S7 costs as much as it does. Billy Tally, Saleen's enthusiastic vice president of engineering, holds up a front suspension upright that's been CNC-machined from a solid aluminum billet, its elegant latticework of openings designed to admit cooling air to the brakes. It's one of hundreds of like-machined parts that are hand-assembled, welded and jigged up on the premises. Only the immaculately done carbon-fiber bodywork is done off-site, though it's painted in Saleen's booth. Saleen admits that the English Midlands is the epicenter for this work: "The weave pattern is better-looking, it's lighter, and it's stronger."

We move to engine final assembly, where Steve clears up the misconception that the 7.0-liter V-8 is Ford-based. The aluminum block is a Saleen-exclusive lightweight casting that has small-block external dimensions with big-block capacity. "I did borrow Ford bore centers so I didn't have to reinvent head gaskets and some other bracketry," explains Steve. Tally points with obvious pride to an S7 cylinder head and pokes a finger in the gaping ports, the exhaust valve seats done in beryllium. "It has the best heat conductivity of just about any metal on the planet," he says, adding that with ultra-precise computer machining of both ports and combustion chambers, most heads are within 0.5 percent of one another on the flow bench.

check the link for the Saleen S7 and S7R

Saleen S7 and S7R

[mr_tw]

true the Saleen S7 is an amazing car, and another good point is that the 0 to 60 don't mean anything on the track, the track is combining all the things a car must do turning accelerating and braking and in lots of cases more than one at a time, and how the car feels at the limit, how fast it looses controll, but if you look at the times around Nurburg ring the enzo isfaster than basicly anything out there, not because it is amazing at only one thing, but because it's awesome at everything

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

Ferrari isn't into sports car racing like they used to be. Saleen Mustangs have won sports car races, but obviously not to the level of even recent Ferraris 550s/575s.

That's because they dominate and spend more time and money on F1. That's where most of the companies revenue comes from.

[1FASTws6]

They are overpriced cars. Like i saw 1 on ebay go for $1,000,000+. Why buy it. And when u do ur probably never gonna drive it. just sit in ur garage and collect dust. hell if i had a car like that i would go everywhere with it (in good weather) no rain sleet etc..... If i had over a million $ to play with id buy an s7. Cause lets face it ur never gonna come across an enzo at a light. And most enzo owners arent gonna track their cars all the time. then save the remaining $ and get a lambo.

[DealsGap]

If you have to ask why people buy Ferrari's, you just wouldn't understand...

Originally Posted by mr_tw

true the Saleen S7 is an amazing car, and another good point is that the 0 to 60 don't mean anything on the track, the track is combining all the things a car must do turning accelerating and braking and in lots of cases more than one at a time, and how the car feels at the limit, how fast it looses controll, but if you look at the times around Nurburg ring the enzo isfaster than basicly anything out there, not because it is amazing at only one thing, but because it's awesome at everything

You have Enzo lap times? Please post them if so.

[jcsaleen]

The S7-R dominated in GTthis year I think that speaks for itself...

[Lamboholic]

I would like to know about laptimes at the Nordschleife aswell. But tracktimes and good value for mony isn't always comperable. You don't want to know what car would be a lot faster than the Enzo on the Nordschleife

But I'm telling you any way

http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?postid=2035571

It's the roadlegal green car

It's up to the buyer to decide wether the Enzo would be good money. I personaly think it should have been fasters through corners, especially because that little green car can.

[jcsaleen]

No durr...

The donkervoort set the fastest lap time a while ago. It beat the second fastest (porsche carrera GT by over 15 seconds.

[Lamboholic]

Pretty neat isn't it?

It really makes me think twice about how good these extreme supercars really are. I think these cars should at least be able to keep up on the track with this lowbudget racemachine

[DealsGap]

The particular Donkervoort that turned the low 7 minute time was NOT stock or street legal.

That said, no exotic will ever be able to match the price/performance ratio of a purpose built race car. You are paying for more than just performance with an exotic, it has to be road legal, and how the car will behave for the use of its owners also plays a huge role. If Ferrari decided to make a car that ran only on race fuel, had no idle circuit, got 5mpg, needed an external starter and required the owner to bring it in for a scheduled engine freshening just to keep it alive, it wouldn't serve much purpose beyond sitting around in collectors museums somewhere. The car has to serve the purpose of it's target market, whereas a racecar has to do nothing more than go fast. Fortunately, companies will occasionally turn out a model like the FXX which can be more narrowly focused toward track performance, but most cars in the lineup will have to have some degree of conformity to be good sellers.

[murphy54]

it is worth it if you have the money and you are that much of a fan