looky looky what I am getting

[MexRocket]

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/p...products_id=58


It's safe to say.

[Thor06]

Sweet, its the China GT though, hope it works out good for you.

[MexRocket]

mmm
no it's not actually, it;s made in their shop, check out their home page about the lawsuit against SBR, it is the real deal.

[MexRocket]

here is a link http://turbochargers.com/evo316g.htm

[ez1286]

Breast implants? Oh a turbo, missed that sorry.

[MexRocket]

worrrrddd....

[ez1286]

Does gt mean ball bearing?

[Thor06]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, if you actually read the article, it says that they come from a factory in Taiwan, not made in their shop, and unless its MHI its not the real deal. Now heres my two cents.

How is that knock off any different from ssautochrome's knock off? A knock off is a knock off is a knock off, do you think that they same design turbo came from two different factories? What exact brand is it? If its so great why didnt they make their own name for the turbo instead of playing off of MHI's Evo III 16g name and why isnt this "NASA of turbos" (as called by their "experts" pretty easy for them to say that their stuff is the shit, why no one elses opinion?) brand name never mentioned? What other turbos do they make? Taiwon, China, either way its probably made in a sweat shop. Also, that article said that they are the leading volume turbo producers in Taiwon. Do you think that a company whose name has never been said and turns out the most turbos in Tiawon is really going to be that good? Also, if they are so engineered and so well built, why are they so much cheaper? I doubt that MHI and this super good mystery brand have that much different of costs per unit in terms of labor and heat, lighting, rent, etc so the money must be saved on materials (also SBR's article had some pretty revealing info on the metal content of many of the parts but they erased it because of this lawsuit) so they must have used lesser quality materials. If the quality of those turbos is so damn good, why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of testing, tweaking, and fine tuning?

You guys can say all you want about how great this turbo is, but you will never convince me. If anything, that article did a better job convincing me NOT to get it. You get what you pay for, and that is supposedly an better engineered version of the Evo III 16g for $150 less than the real one and they have to play off the Evo III's name recognition with a GT to make it legal so they could sell them? Makes no sense to me.

[blk_srt]

Originally Posted by Thor06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, if you actually read the article, it says that they come from a factory in Taiwan, not made in their shop, and unless its MHI its not the real deal. Now heres my two cents.

How is that knock off any different from ssautochrome's knock off? A knock off is a knock off is a knock off, do you think that they same design turbo came from two different factories? What exact brand is it? If its so great why didnt they make their own name for the turbo instead of playing off of MHI's Evo III 16g name and why isnt this "NASA of turbos" (as called by their "experts" pretty easy for them to say that their stuff is the shit, why no one elses opinion?) brand name never mentioned? What other turbos do they make? Taiwon, China, either way its probably made in a sweat shop. Also, that article said that they are the leading volume turbo producers in Taiwon. Do you think that a company whose name has never been said and turns out the most turbos in Tiawon is really going to be that good? Also, if they are so engineered and so well built, why are they so much cheaper? I doubt that MHI and this super good mystery brand have that much different of costs per unit in terms of labor and heat, lighting, rent, etc so the money must be saved on materials (also SBR's article had some pretty revealing info on the metal content of many of the parts but they erased it because of this lawsuit) so they must have used lesser quality materials. If the quality of those turbos is so damn good, why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of testing, tweaking, and fine tuning?

You guys can say all you want about how great this turbo is, but you will never convince me. If anything, that article did a better job convincing me NOT to get it. You get what you pay for, and that is supposedly an better engineered version of the Evo III 16g for $150 less than the real one and they have to play off the Evo III's name recognition with a GT to make it legal so they could sell them? Makes no sense to me.

I couldnt agree more MHI all the way

[george536]

Originally Posted by Thor06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, if you actually read the article, it says that they come from a factory in Taiwan, not made in their shop, and unless its MHI its not the real deal. Now heres my two cents.

How is that knock off any different from ssautochrome's knock off? A knock off is a knock off is a knock off, do you think that they same design turbo came from two different factories? What exact brand is it? If its so great why didnt they make their own name for the turbo instead of playing off of MHI's Evo III 16g name and why isnt this "NASA of turbos" (as called by their "experts" pretty easy for them to say that their stuff is the shit, why no one elses opinion?) brand name never mentioned? What other turbos do they make? Taiwon, China, either way its probably made in a sweat shop. Also, that article said that they are the leading volume turbo producers in Taiwon. Do you think that a company whose name has never been said and turns out the most turbos in Tiawon is really going to be that good? Also, if they are so engineered and so well built, why are they so much cheaper? I doubt that MHI and this super good mystery brand have that much different of costs per unit in terms of labor and heat, lighting, rent, etc so the money must be saved on materials (also SBR's article had some pretty revealing info on the metal content of many of the parts but they erased it because of this lawsuit) so they must have used lesser quality materials. If the quality of those turbos is so damn good, why did turbochargers.com have to put it through 6 months of testing, tweaking, and fine tuning?

You guys can say all you want about how great this turbo is, but you will never convince me. If anything, that article did a better job convincing me NOT to get it. You get what you pay for, and that is supposedly an better engineered version of the Evo III 16g for $150 less than the real one and they have to play off the Evo III's name recognition with a GT to make it legal so they could sell them? Makes no sense to me.

actually ive had the gt for a year now and no problems. i actually beat my friends spyder and he had a real MHI. and turbochargers.com sells the gt and the real MHI turbo for the same price i bought both from them. http://www.turbochargers.com/store/p...products_id=68

[steviek]

WHat about this one on ebay its a little cheaper
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EVO-3...54324440QQrdZ1
which one is that
it doens't look like the Gt

[blk_srt]

fix the link

[MexRocket]

Most of you won't have the patience to read all of this, I emplore (sp?) to read it and don't get hot headed. We are all grown up, Except EZ.(I hate him)

lol.... why do you think they removed it? as you said, because of the lawsuit, if it is correct, they would have no reason to take the information out of the site. If something is going to give me a X amount of year(s) unconditional warranty , I have no problem buying it. I have heard of the education there; my friends forigen exchange person, will be working for that exact company, he is going straight to working for them, He was offered a full ride at Wash U and and MIT said that they would be "flexiable" with his situation. I am well aware of the reputation of Industrial Research Technology Institute, It's people like you and crunchy milk (not slamming, don't start flaming) that keep the SBR's and Extreme PSI's in business, as long as you beleive the name equals quility, the longer the prices will remain jacked up. The way SBR packaged my shit, I would not fucking trust them with a turbo. They spent so much time tuning it because, what good is a half ass'd job? They have eliminated many flaws from SBR "real" GT turbo. and don't charge you for it, because it has been MOLDED, not ported by some dude, who may or may not do a good job at it, remember we after all, are human. but I mean, I don't remember seeing SBR backing their shit up with a warranty without charging you extra.


Why bother with something that already works? People know the evoIII name with performence, why fuck with it? Did you honestly just question the ethics of Industrial Research Technology Institute... are you seriours? Did you even bother to reaserch them? Knock offs? I know this is a shitty comparison, but the group buy of the 2g FMIC, have you heard anything negitive about except some mounting issues? No matter how many times people tried to smash them, they still were bought, and still are flowing as efficently as a SBR or whatever companies over priced FMIC.

Nothing is perfect the first or the second time you make it, (ask EZ) You have to perfect it before you put it out there, I wouldn't expect anything else other than perfection from a turbo. And dude, if your going to smash something with a quote, atleast get the quote right. "NASA of product development" Not of bloody turbos. And I am not defending the fucking statment right there either because, what the fuck has NASA done? blow space shuttles up beacuse of FOAM. So this quote doesn't help either of us. LOL Not true. "This factory is Taiwan 's leading volume turbo factory, and a major supplier of turbos into Japan , and for good reason, quality." Is the full quote as well.


"To ensure that the compressor wheel can withstand any amount of abuse without breaking, we performed a thorough series of "stop tests." This is performed by bringing the turbo up to 120,000 RPMs through pumping air into the compressor housing inlet, then, to test the strength of the compressor wheel blades, the compressor housing outlet is blocked, thus putting literally tons of air pressure onto the compressor wheel blades. This test is performed over and over again until the president of the factory is satisfied, usually 40 or 50 consecutive times.
In order to comfortably pass this rigorous compressor wheel strength test, we decided to make the blades on the compressor wheels thicker than Mitsubishi's. Fundamentally, Mitsubishi's 49178-01470 (Evo III) is designed to be stock replacement turbo. The Evo III GT was designed and built for racing."

Uhhh... are you really going to refute that? I learned in a Bio and Physics class from my teachers, they said "Stop the waste of life of thinking of an original idea, there is no such thing. Instead, improve on the things that already work, and make it perfect."


"This is the most critical part of turbo. During racing conditions, turbos often heat up to 1200+ º degrees (f), and therefore the turbo needs to be built to handle those hellish conditions with ease.
TURBINE WHEEL: Extreme heat can weaken the wheel's metal alloy and cause it to stretch, bang up against the turbine housing, chip, and then consequentially destroy the turbo. This is the most difficult part of the turbo to test, requiring the turbo to run at red-line speeds for 7 days straight at great expense to the factory. Needless to say, the turbine wheel passed this test with flying colors, not even stretching a fraction of a millimeter."

TURBINE HOUSING: The turbine housing is equally susceptible to heat damage as the wheel. Improperly designed turbine housings can warp and distort the ultra-fine tolerances, or simply crack (like how cheap headers crack). This is tested at the same time as the turbine wheel, 7 straight days of 150,000 RPM at an average temperature of 1300 º (f). Like the wheels, the turbine housing performed beautifully.

MATERIAL COMPOSITION: Turbine housings are composed of 42 different elements, but the most important element is nickel (Ni). The Evo III GT's turbine housing is composed of 12.45% nickel, higher than Mitsubishi's, which gives the GT greater resilience to heat.

COLOR: The difference in color between the GT and Mitsubishi Evo 3 has more to do with the trace elements than the primary materials. Our competitors want you to believe that color is a reliable indicator of quality

If you need more proof, then don't buy it =P

[clipsekid99]

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/p...roducts_id=186

Gonna get the MHI evo 3 + ported mani + install kit + warranty = badass freakin deal.

[blk_srt]

that looks like the real thing