Nismo accessories

[G22DET]

ok, for the small Nismo accessories..i gotten around 8 emails so it's a go...however, there are 2 different kinds of the stuff....one is fake that looks exactly like the Nismo ones for like 1/3 of the price..if you guys want to get geniune nismo stuff, for the keys, keychains..it's all above 30bucks.. as for radiator caps/oil filler caps it's about 25/65 respectively.
for those that emailed me...email me again to see if you prefer fake or real ones.

[redvalkrie]

:o Just to involve the beuty of the key!:alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien:

[RCer]

Luke, any news on this???

[MauiBlueGRide]

I'll take two keys if you can get them, please send pics of the knock offs to [email protected]
BTW - if anyone needs bypass kits for the newer G's I can hook ya up VERY cheap...... Basically take a key with chip in it, grind it, put it in a case you screw down (or if ya can't bear to grind it use some wierd head screws to seal it). Anyways you hook it up to the ignition wire so that it only turns on at that point, and you either use two wires to splice into the factory antenna ring around the key cylinder or you place another ring around the factory one..... Viola it sends the correct signal to it and you can use the SWEEEEEET nismo key....

Chris

[G22DET]

for those that wants it for sure...like 100% sure, please state so in this thread, i know a few already made up their mind...but i need like an exact figure.
the thing is, the shop that i talk to is new and they dont want to deal with me if i only got a few orders from him.
let me know

[MauiBlueGRide]

Can we get an idea on price? Not rock solid but ballpark? I'll then confirm my order.
Thanks
Chris

[RCer]

me, 2 keys.

[b-b00gie]

Originally posted by MauiBlueGRide
I'll take two keys if you can get them, please send pics of the knock offs to [email protected]
BTW - if anyone needs bypass kits for the newer G's I can hook ya up VERY cheap...... Basically take a key with chip in it, grind it, put it in a case you screw down (or if ya can't bear to grind it use some wierd head screws to seal it). Anyways you hook it up to the ignition wire so that it only turns on at that point, and you either use two wires to splice into the factory antenna ring around the key cylinder or you place another ring around the factory one..... Viola it sends the correct signal to it and you can use the SWEEEEEET nismo key....

Chris

Aaaaaah!!! BAD BAD BAD!!!


This makes your car sooooo much more stealable! The Immoblizers in the 2000+ cars check to make sure its getting the frequency from the key, if not the engine will shut off.

By doing what you mentioned (most people do it in order to install remote starters) you are allowing your car to be started by simply connecting two wires together!!

BAD BAD BAD!!!

This is the reason I will NEVER put a remote starter in my car.


True an aftermarket alarm can provide some other good security features, but they can easily be bypassed by a thief who knows what he's doing.

Why anyone would want to disable an engine immobilizer is beyond me! Think about it, this is not just an ignition kill feature which can be bypassed. Our immobilzers check for the frequency both before and after the ignition process, if the engine is running and the frequency isnt there, it will shut down.

[MauiBlueGRide]

Yes people do it for remote starts.... The little chip in the key thing is cool but its also false security, again if a theif wants it they are gunna get it..... As for hooking two wires together, its a little harder than that, you would have to find a constant 12v+, hook it to the accy, two ignitions, and TWO start wires (Nissan uses two one for cold starts they say but if you don't hook both up the car won't start been there done that remote start wise) and there may be another accy wire in the newer cars (might not have to be powered to run though).

So It's not all THAT easy... An alarm done RIGHT is effective and hard to get past, no cheazy under the steering column method, yank the dash off, cut the wires short at the alarm, run all black wires over to the ignition harness, electrical tape back over the harness when done, and strap tie it. It will take a theif an hour to get through the tape/strap tie mix only to find black wires (Since most alarm manf.'s have the same colors for all the ignition type wires).

Anyways I wouldn't loose any sleep over doing this at all, if your really really really concerned you could probably do something like mount the box in the arm rest and you'd have to insert your orginal key in there before starting with the nismo key.....

Chris

BTW this technology is out of date, GM has a new system that kicks everyones arse as far as coded keys go.... Apparently there are two sensors in the tumbler and two in the key, they have to send the right signals at the right time as your turn the key or no start....... Doubt there will be a bypass for that one for a while.....

[b-b00gie]

Thats all fine and dandy, BUT...

Please read Infiniti's comments on the system...

Infiniti Vehicle Immobilizer System
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The Infiniti Vehicle Immobilizer System is a sophisticated theft deterrent system that immobilizes the vehicle if someone tries to start the vehicle without the authorized Infiniti ignition key. Separate from the vehicle's standard vehicle security system, the Immobilzer uses a computer microchip transponder mounted in the key, which sends its ID code to the unit's engine control unit (ECU). Once the proper code is verified, the ECU sends another code to the car's engine control module (ECM). If the ECM verifies the code, the engine starts. If not, the engine will start momentarily and then shut down.

The microchip has one of 65,000 unique "fingerprints" and the key stem can be cut into 23,000 different combinations. Each time the engine is turned off, the ECM generates a new code that will be used for the next start.

If the code is not present the engine will start momentarily and then shut down...

This is not the typical ignition immobilzer, its an engine immobilizer. Most thieves can easily bypass ingitions, but how many can bypass that ECM?

This goes back to my original post, why put the transponder there? You are DEGRADING your security..

[MauiBlueGRide]

All I'm going to say is that there are ways around it..... I ran into times when customers didn't have or didn't want to pay for the extra keys under the dash and I got past it..... As for the ecm generating a new code each time, I personally don't buy it for this reason.... Go start your car with the key you always use, shut it off.... According to infiniti the ECM has generated a *NEW* code, take a spare key and start the car.... How did the spare know the new code?????

Now go back and think about this, the key has a code, its permenant not going to change. Something somewhere knows this in order to verify its correct to send the newly generated code to the ecm correct? Well "something" else must store the code that was generated last in order for the car to start......

Thats alllll I'm sayin bout that....

I may have some inside info due to the fact I work at an oem supplier to almost all major auto manufacturers but then again installing since before you could drive plays a factor too :P


Also - my brother's VW had some crazy wierd cut keys, and electronic immobilization as well - you know what happened? Someone lost all their keys, and found out from VW that the parts had to come from Germany and a replacement kit wasn't available yet (apparently the ECU controlling all this is one of the first things strapped on the frame and hard to get to) So anyways word of this got out and people started stealling VW keys from parking garages here in Cincy, happened to his Wife's passat AND his Jetta in two different garages. So anyways I forget how the crooks followed the cars, either tracked licences or vins or something (hell coulda followed them home) but point is they couldn't get new keys/locks done for over a month, so for one month my brother had both VW's locked in his garage with the batteries removed and a tire gone. (to make them harder to take lol) While the garage fired the guys in both cases and provided rentals, still that sucks.... Gotta look at it in both senses..... Also what happens if an ECU fries and you get a new one???? You get all new keys also????? Gotta be a way to program the new signal into the ECU :-P


Chris

As a final thought and I'll have to confirm this when I look at my car but say there was a wild "lets go steal G20's" rampage, someone with research could do the following, get a 99 ECU (since apparently some didn't have the immobilizer) from a junk yard, hop into the car, swap the ecu (not all that easy but not all that hard either since its right under the center of the dash) and viola they are gone.......

[b-b00gie]

Chris, you are looking at, but not "reading" what I posted...

"the Immobilzer uses a computer microchip transponder mounted in the key, which sends its ID code to the unit's engine control unit (ECU). Once the proper code is verified, the ECU sends another code to the car's engine control module (ECM). If the ECM verifies the code, the engine starts. If not, the engine will start momentarily and then shut down. Each time the engine is turned off, the ECM generates a new code that will be used for the next start. "

Originally posted by MauiBlueGRide
As for the ecm generating a new code each time, I personally don't buy it for this reason.... Go start your car with the key you always use, shut it off.... According to infiniti the ECM has generated a *NEW* code, take a spare key and start the car.... How did the spare know the new code?????

Of course the key doesnt know the new code!! The ECU does!

The spare key will send its code to the ECU, if it matches, the ECU will send the new code to the ECM which was generated on the last engine shut down.

Now go back and think about this, the key has a code, its permenant not going to change. Something somewhere knows this in order to verify its correct to send the newly generated code to the ecm correct? Well "something" else must store the code that was generated last in order for the car to start......

Yes of course, the ECU has the key code, but how are you gonna start your car w/ an ECU?

As a final thought and I'll have to confirm this when I look at my car but say there was a wild "lets go steal G20's" rampage, someone with research could do the following, get a 99 ECU (since apparently some didn't have the immobilizer) from a junk yard, hop into the car, swap the ecu (not all that easy but not all that hard either since its right under the center of the dash) and viola they are gone.......

True the 99 did not have the system, so if you swapped the ECU you would not need a key code BUT the ECM would be looking for a code from the ECU! Again, if you read the description of how the system works you will see that if the ECU does not send the correct code to the ECM, the engine will shut down.


Lastly... this still goes back to my first point. If you place one of these transponders in your steering column, you are degrading your security to that of a 20 year old car which could be stolen by "hot wiring" the ignition.


Obviously there are ways to steal ANY car. If there wasnt than Ferrari's wouldnt get stolen, etc...

But my main point was that with out the key code, the average unskilled thief wouldnt get very far, why leave it in the palm of thier hands??

[MauiBlueGRide]

Yes of course, the ECU has the key code, but how are you gonna start your car w/ an ECU

If the code is stored there then there is a way to retrieve it an pass it along to the ECM. Much like sony playstations they looked for garbled info on the begining of a game cd, so when copied by a pc, the pc would fix the errors, the playstation new it was copied and viola didn't play, so someone made chips to fake them out. Is it easily available? Nah, possible? Yes. The whole "code being stored" thing is pointless why not just check the code on the key only? Because in fact that is all it is doing correct? The whole storing a unique code is just a waist of our money.

Of course the key doesnt know the new code!! The ECU does!

Exactly - another point - you know how people are big on "anti code grabbing alarms?" ok well your chip is broadcasting its little code 24/7 so in theory with a proper device someone can walk by you, bump into you and get the code, or if they work at a dealership enter the vin and get the code, place the chip near the lock cylinder, and still hotwire the car. I'm not saying its going to be easy, but to me its a lot easier to bypass these than it would be a properly installed alarm.

True the 99 did not have the system, so if you swapped the ECU you would not need a key code BUT the ECM would be looking for a code from the ECU! Again, if you read the description of how the system works you will see that if the ECU does not send the correct code to the ECM, the engine will shut down.

I'm saying swap the ECM - the engine control module with a 99, if it's not looking for the "key code" then of course the car will run regardless of what kind of key is in it.

Again my final thing is this dealers have a way to reprogram the code in the event of an ECU failure, and they have ways of obtaining the "code" to make duplicate keys. To me - thats not safe as it could be.

Also again - we deal with the oem market a ton (clarion for car stereos/speakers/amps/subs, mcintosh for the same, and ungo for several security systems) I've got some knowledge the average person and maybe even dealer doesn't have. Am I saying that we did the infiniti security, no, am I saying I have a pretty darn good understanding of this "wonderful" transponder technology yes..... It's dated already, why do you think GM is going to the tougher tumbler verification type system?

Saying that the transponder is great security or even makes your car more secure - - to me I just don't buy it. I'd rather not have it. If somone tows your car off to a remote area, dissasembles it and sells it for parts, all the transponder has done is nothing. An alarm would sound or page the owner. To me its a false sense of security.....

But I think this is beat to death and in the wrong forum...
So we all have opionions and again to those who want these keys or a remote start, I can get all of us a great deal on the bypass module.

Good day. :-)

Chris

[b-b00gie]

Chris,

I still think you're missing my point. I'm gonna stop talking about this but...

What I orginally said (lol, a ton of times) is that, if you use one of these transponder boxes, then any Joe Schmoe who can hot wire a car (lets use a typically stolen honda civic for example) can now EASILY steal your car.

Where as if you didnt do that, it'd be harder because of the factory immobilizer and would take someone with more skill, etc...

[MauiBlueGRide]

I'll agree with what you just said..... But nissan's/infiniti's are harder to hotwire in general due to all the extra mess of wires you'd have to short, so really the average idiot isn't going to figure it out.....

Chris