restrictor plates are the devil

[TheStang00]

so who saw the 25 car pile-up today? what a freakin joke nascar needs to get rid of the damn restrictor plates. they have been pissin me off for years. this is a thread about posting alternate ideas, lets have em. my two thoughts were lowering the size to around 302, or switching to a big v6.

[theFREAKnasty82]

What NASCAR needs to do is change from carburetion to fuel injection. You get better throttle response from fuel injection, more power, and more torque. If they want to limit speed at Daytona & Talladega, easy, use different injectors that don't spit out less fuel. Also, use different runners for the intakes. They have already limited engine size to 358 cu. in. The days of the old 426 HEMI from Chrysler and the 429 BOSS motor from Ford are dead. In all honesty, today's stock cars are 100xs safer than they were 10 years ago. Let them go all out at 210+ MPH, let them use their true driving skills and give the folks at home something to enjoy. It's a proven fact, people love speed. I'm sure if enough people voiced their concern to NASCAR, like they did with last years race when Gordon won under caution and they changed the rules to where there'll be a green/white finish, they'll be willing to listen. Fact of the matter is, the big one can happen at any time doesn't matter if they're doing 80 MPH at Martinsville or 180 at Talladega.

[TheStang00]

what about even bringing out the older cars b4 they had to have restrictor plates... probably not practical but just a thought, like lates 1980's cars

[theFREAKnasty82]

those cars were fast but now everything today is all about aerodynamics. Those old Monte Carlos and Thunderbirds were not as aerodynamic as they are today. Speeds at tracks have also gone up. I wouldn't be surprised to see one day, restrictor plates going on tracks like Atlanta, Charlotte, and possibly Michigan and California. It used to be, go as fast as you can go, now it's let's keep things safe so we'll slow them down. (Real smart guys!)

[500]

The problem is that the crash forces go up cubed. If the cars used to run 100 mph and suddenly you allowed mods that made them now go 200 on the same track you have doubled the speed but the forces in a crash go up by a factor of 4. If you hit the wall at 100 mph and get 500 ft/lbs of energy directed at the driver once he is going 200 mph and hits the wall he is subjected to 2000 ft/lbs of energy. The energy numbers are just for comparison and not actual numbers that a wreck may generate.

So it may seem like the difference between 180 and 210 is only 30mph but the energy is increased dramatically.

If this is confusing it's because I'm tired and can't think straight.

90 degree V6's have been tried in BGN and proved to be unreliable. I used to think 275 or 300 cube V8's was the answer but I don't really know. They would just turn them 11,000 rpm and probably go just as fast as today. We do need to bring back the old days of Cale Yarborough {sp} doing the draft pass coming off 4 to the checker. Now days they would just block like mad.

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[Layla's Keeper]

I like Dave Despain's solution - a bulldozer to knock about 10 degrees of banking off of Talladega and Daytona so that they can't run flat out around the whole track.

By comparison, look at Atlanta. Atlanta gets speeds faster than the plate tracks, but the drivers have to back off heavy at the end of the backstretch and there's always great racing.

Seriously, it's one thing to bank a track like Bristol to ridiculous angles because most fast short tracks are high-banked (Winchester, Mansfield, Eldora) but a 2.5mile super speedway needs to be flattened out a bit so that the drivers need to get out of the throttle occasionally

[500]

That would be a good solution. I was amazed at the speeds when they first went to Indy. I thought they would be much slower due to little banking and 4 seperate corners.

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[AWP9521]

I think NASCAR should go back to their roots, none of the cars on the track other than with stickers come even close to what they resemble in a new car showroom and I think they ought to go back to that. Make their tube frames if they want to to keep the driver safe then hang the same body on them exactly like what you see at the dealer. If one body is slipperier than another so be it, if the organization that owns the car can't compete then go to another make if they want to go faster, NASCAR does still stand for National Association for STOCK CAR Auto Racing right, then lets get back to the "stock" side of things like it used to be, lets get back to being "brand specific" from the body right down to the running gear. If the car is FWD (Like the Taurus and Monte Carlo) from the factory then guess what boys, you got to deal with torque steer! If the automakers want to make a RWD car just for NASCAR then guess what, they have to make 1500 cars available to the public and they have to have all of them made and in the showroom before the car is allowed on the track just like the good old days, and the cars the teams use on the track can not be used in the final count to make the production run.

Once they do that then they can get rid of the Restrictor Plate and let them run what they got. If NASCAR don't want them going 200 MPH then lower the displacement maximum to 300 cu in and then see what happens.

[TheStang00]

i was just at indy, and guess what, indy is proof that lowering displacement works because the IRL does it at indy because they would go way to fast, and the racing is still awesome. yesterday was one of the best races ive ever seen. nascar should just lower the frickin displacement.

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

i was just at indy, and guess what, indy is proof that lowering displacement works because the IRL does it at indy because they would go way to fast, and the racing is still awesome. yesterday was one of the best races ive ever seen. nascar should just lower the frickin displacement.

Indy cars also have rev limiters set to a certain RPM, NASCAR doesn't mandate rev limiters. Lowering the displacement in NASCAR would mean teams would shorten the stroke of the their engines and rev them up to higher RPMs.

[TheStang00]

nascars have rev limiters at 10k

[AWP9521]

Originally Posted by theFREAKnasty82

those cars were fast but now everything today is all about aerodynamics. Those old Monte Carlos and Thunderbirds were not as aerodynamic as they are today.

If you think about that, it's kind of ironic. Back in the late 60's Chrysler Corp. played around with aerodynamics and came up with the famed "Wing Cars", the 1969 Dodge Daytona and the 1970 Plymouth Superbird to race on the NASCAR tracks, both cars with the nose extensions and those huge wings resulting in lower drag coupled with the Hemi engine were so fast the competition was litterally left in the dust and then they were banned. Sure today it's all about aerodynamics, but back then it wasn't and when somebody did figure it out it was totally wrong. But now it's right?

[TheStang00]

you gotta keep in mind its not just aerodynamics, the engines have gotten much more powerful too. around 800hp now, like ten years ago the had 650hp

[street_racer_00]

Run V-6's...hell, run goody's dash 4 bangers even.

[TheStang00]

said it before, ill say it again, indy is proof that lowering displacement works