What the %^#@ with these gas prices

[4speedsupreme]

Well it looks like once again the people of the USA are getting screwed. Gas has gone way up too fast. I don't want to hear the total bulls&^% "Its still cheap adjusted for inflation". We are getting f%$^*d again period. In my opinion certain groups don't want you driving an SUV so gas just gets raised so you don't. People need to start complaining to their state reps about it. I heard Bush already talked about lightening the regulations on whatever is put in fuel to reduce emissions to lower cost. Everyone needs to complain. Remember its the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

[MagicRat]

Since crude oil is a limited resource, it is logical to conserve it so there is enough for your children and mine.
It is reasonable to make the price high enough that people will think twice before wasting it or using it unwisely.

[-Josh-]

4 cents a gallon in the middle east... Wonder why that is... I dont care, just as long as i have gas to put in my car.

[4speedsupreme]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

Since crude oil is a limited resource, it is logical to conserve it so there is enough for your children and mine.
It is reasonable to make the price high enough that people will think twice before wasting it or using it unwisely.

There is no shortage of crude oil and no-one has the right to tell me what I may or may not drive or do period. Where does the money go?What happened to the money from R12 when they taxed it to death? We ordered R134A this year. It is 5 times more than last year. Total BS.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by 4speedsupreme

There is no shortage of crude oil and no-one has the right to tell me what I may or may not drive or do period. Where does the money go?What happened to the money from R12 when they taxed it to death? We ordered R134A this year. It is 5 times more than last year. Total BS.

There is no shortage of crude oil, but at the rate we are using it, we are just paying a reasonable market rate for it.

Please read this: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Also, last I looked, nobody was telling you what to drive, just that you must pay your own way if you wish to drive it.
Sounds fair to me.

[4speedsupreme]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

There is no shortage of crude oil, but at the rate we are using it, we are just paying a reasonable market rate for it.

Please read this: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Also, last I looked, nobody was telling you what to drive, just that you must pay your own way if you wish to drive it.
Sounds fair to me.

Personally I think that article is 90% bull and 10% truth. But lets just say you are right for the sake of arguement. How much is too much per gallon as far as you are concerned? I think full synthentic gasoline is most likley possible now, which would mean we would never run out of oil. I think the fuel prices are driven more by the enviromental movement than shortages of oil. These people want alternitive fuels that just are not possible, cost effective, or practical, and they don't care who they hurt to get what they want. These are my opinions and I may be wrong, but probably not.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by 4speedsupreme

Personally I think that article is 90% bull and 10% truth. But lets just say you are right for the sake of arguement. How much is too much per gallon as far as you are concerned? I think full synthentic gasoline is most likley possible now, which would mean we would never run out of oil. I think the fuel prices are driven more by the enviromental movement than shortages of oil. These people want alternitive fuels that just are not possible, cost effective, or practical, and they don't care who they hurt to get what they want. These are my opinions and I may be wrong, but probably not.

That article was wrong in that is uses past consumption trends to predict future events. Still, it's assesment of currennt events and alternatives is mostly accurate, and certainly not 90% bull, imho.

As that article states, there are many many alternative sources for energy, but at present most are more expensive than oil, so we use oil. But all the easily recoverable oil will be used up, so the more expensive alternatives will become economically viable. But by that time, we all may be on electric bicycles.

[mustangmike351c]

Originally Posted by 4speedsupreme

There is no shortage of crude oil and no-one has the right to tell me what I may or may not drive or do period. Where does the money go?What happened to the money from R12 when they taxed it to death? We ordered R134A this year. It is 5 times more than last year. Total BS.

r12 is made in Iraq and is cheap over there just as fuel is. they can use corn instead and turn this country around with farming at least make enough to bring the coast down

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by mustangmike351c

. they can use corn instead and turn this country around with farming at least make enough to bring the coast down

I don't think so.
It takes about as much pertoleum to grow corn (fuel, fertilizers etc) as you receive from turning it into fuel.

[mustangmike351c]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

I don't think so.
It takes about as much pertoleum to grow corn (fuel, fertilizers etc) as you receive from turning it into fuel.

they are going to farm something anyway. and they dont use any fuel or fertilizer while its growing all summer

[theFREAKnasty82]

I don't know about where you all live, but here in FL, it's $2.15 a gallon average price. I thought last year when the average price was $1.75 a gallon was steep, geez, I hate these prices now. I know enviromentalists want to save the earth, and I'm all for that, but if I'm on a limited income, and drive 21 miles to work everyday, burning about a gallon along the way, there needs to be a big push to drill elsewhere for crude oil. Off the shores of my home state in FL, they've been debating for years as to whether they should drill off the Gulf of Mexico. I say do it! I love FL's Gulf Coast and don't want it to look messy, but unless there's an alternative fuel ready to go, let's start drilling of the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska!

[swi66]

Originally Posted by theFREAKnasty82

I don't know about where you all live, but here in FL, it's $2.15 a gallon average price. I thought last year when the average price was $1.75 a gallon was steep, geez, I hate these prices now. I know enviromentalists want to save the earth, and I'm all for that, but if I'm on a limited income, and drive 21 miles to work everyday, burning about a gallon along the way, there needs to be a big push to drill elsewhere for crude oil. Off the shores of my home state in FL, they've been debating for years as to whether they should drill off the Gulf of Mexico. I say do it! I love FL's Gulf Coast and don't want it to look messy, but unless there's an alternative fuel ready to go, let's start drilling of the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska!

Your average in Florida would be cheap for us in NY. Of course up here they tax gas like it was a luxury.
Yes conservation is nice, but prices have skyrocketed because greedy people can make a killing. Whether they are the arabs, or big oil, and don't forget our president's ties to big oil...........
Every spring it is the same thing, just in time for vacation.
And don't beleive growing corn is going to be the big save all, it's a crock the corn growing states are pushing. Forget the fact ethanol does more damage than good, and reduces mileage. It also costs more to grow than it's worth for fuel, but the conservationists love it!
Same with Hybrid vehicles, who's going to clean up an electric vehicle involved in an accident? How about a hydrogen vehicle..........more issues not considered.

swi66

[4speedsupreme]

How about getting rid of huge battery packs when a hybrid is junked? I think I'll pi%s myself laughing if some tree hugging freak has battery acid leaking all over their driveway because no-one will take the battery. Hydrogen cars.... Hmmm, An atomic bomb on wheels. Hopefully they will sell them in California only. And by the way, in my opinion, the air, water, and enviroment are plenty clean. There is NO problem imho. You see the envirMENTALs just keep tightning the standards and changing laws to suit their needs. If they don't show a problem they get no $ from the Government.

[mustangmike351c]

Originally Posted by 4speedsupreme

Well it looks like once again the people of the USA are getting screwed. Gas has gone way up too fast. I don't want to hear the total bulls&^% "Its still cheap adjusted for inflation". We are getting f%$^*d again period. In my opinion certain groups don't want you driving an SUV so gas just gets raised so you don't. People need to start complaining to their state reps about it. I heard Bush already talked about lightening the regulations on whatever is put in fuel to reduce emissions to lower cost. Everyone needs to complain. Remember its the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

bush is in the oil biz he's getting rich from this. if we let them the price will keep going up. remember when it was around a $1.00 per gal and it went to $1.85 and then back to $1.60. they make it real high and bring it back just a little. but its still too much. have you ever looked at the small print at the pump? we pay over $.50 per gal just for tax

[4speedsupreme]

Originally Posted by mustangmike351c

bush is in the oil biz he's getting rich from this. if we let them the price will keep going up. remember when it was around a $1.00 per gal and it went to $1.85 and then back to $1.60. they make it real high and bring it back just a little. but its still too much. have you ever looked at the small print at the pump? we pay over $.50 per gal just for tax

I agree. I think that was planned. Make it real high, the roll it back just a little to make it acceptable. Total BS. They really think people are dumb.