Hopefully last question so I can get my car going.

[Savior1974]

OK guys, thanks for all the help so far, I decided on getting a 20g and more than likely a super afc II fuel management system (still thinking about dsmlink). But now, I need to know all the supporting mods I need to run that 20g the way it's meant to be running. My current mod list is in my profile. As you can see, I got the 3" downpipe/exhaust and Act 2600 to help run that baby but I'm pretty much lost after that. I know I neeed an air intake system(probably injen or dejon), boost controller (Greddy Profec B spec 2) fmic (spearco or greddy), fuel pump (don't know size), fuel injectors (again don't know size) and I'm not sure what else. I've checked the sticky threads and even printed out the info on dsm tuners but I still don't know the exact parts and size I need for the 20g. Please help me ! Hopefully I'll know everything I need to get by monday so I can buy everything on ebay then and get it shipped on tuesday express mail or something. I miss my baby

P.S Kevin, your infomation would help me greatly. Please bless my question with an answer from you.

[kjewer1]

The inlet on the 20g is 2.5inches roughly, so get an intake at least that size. I dont think the injen is the way to go, I would do dejon or home depot. Either of those 2 FMICs will work, but I'm partial to the SBR/Kinetic version if you want a real bigass one, the last one you'll ever need. Injectors depends on what managment system you choose. Pump, depends on how far you plan to go in the furture. I would highly recomend a 255 HP with a regulator, either aeromotive like my setup or a bolt on version.

If you have the option of using DSMlink I would highly suggest you go that route. The AFC, logger, and a chip to eliminate fuel cut will cost as much or more as DSMlink. I made money when i went to DSMlink and sold all that BS. Then you can run any injector you want. I would highly suggest FIC 950s. With the 950s, and the 255HP and reg, you wont have to worry about fuel unless you go REAL BIG. Do it once, do it right. Dont upgrade each part 10 times like I Did. My car would be a lot faster with the money I could have put to better use

Hope that helps.

[Savior1974]

That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I wanna do it all right the first time. so I don't waist my money on parts I don't need. That's why I asked you guys. Well, Besides all the stuff that you and I mentioned, is there anything else that I need to get my car using that 20g to it's full potential. Do I need to do any porting or anything? What about a wastegate? Also, do i need a tial bov becuase I got the greddy type s. I'm having the mitsu dealer do all of the installing. They have a guy that works in the parts department that has an 11 sec gsx eclipse too so I believe that they know what they're doing. He also said that If i got the dsmlink in my car, he'd do all the tuning for me cause he has it too. Well, anyways, if you think of anything else that I need for my car. Please let me know because I'm ordering parts tomarrow. Thanks alot guys.

[kjewer1]

Whats the guys name? Odds are I know him from the DSMlink forums. BOV should be fine, no porting necessary (if you mean head porting), etc. An external WG is highly suggested though. The cheapest way is to have a tial 38mm flange welded to the #1 runner (SBR does this for like 50 bucks IIRC), then pick up the WG itself for around 200. Should work well for a 20g. For big ass turbos its wise to vent all 4 runners though. O2 mounted setups are pricey. And an internal is too much of a compromise for me.

[Savior1974]

Ok so I gonna order the parts in a couple hours and I just wanna make sure that I'm getting all the right parts. So I need..... (the 20g turbo, fmic, dejon intake, dsmlink, eprom ecu, 950cc injectors, 255 fuel pump, greddy profec b spec 2 boost controller, external wastegate and the tial 38mm flange) After those parts, my car should be running that turbo fine? No more suggested parts besides that?

[JoeWagon]

Which 20g are you getting? Your FMIC will need the piping of course. You have to send DSMlink the ECU, so you know. With that big of injectors, you might invest in a FPR and have yourself a complete big fuel system. Maybe even go with the HP pump, your choice. It could be argued that even the 255 non HP needs a FPR.

There will be a few little things, like a dump tube to route the Tial wastegate down. Couplers for the FMIC piping, which I can't list for you to prepare for. You'll find out.. start collecting parts

[BlackShadowTSi]

Originally Posted by [url="http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=71499"

JoeWagon[/url]] You have to send DSMlink the ECU

he said that he have or is going to buy an eprom ecu, he needs to send it to DSMling anyways???

[95_GSX]

Originally Posted by BlackShadowTSi

he said that he have or is going to buy an eprom ecu, he needs to send it to DSMling anyways???

yep. they change the chip so you can hook up your laptop and get your real time data logs and tuning abilities.

[Savior1974]

Dang, seems like alot of parts, Well, I was talking about getting the 255 hp fuel pump. Most likely the same that Kevin is using, the aeromotive. Also I was thinking about getting one of the slowboy racing 20g's (possibly the 2g20g or the 20g with the T06 wheel.) Another turbo I was looking at was this one.....

http://www.agpturbo.com/customer/pro...&cat=71&page=1

What do you guys think of this one. It's a garret setup and I was thinking about either the 50 trim or the Dre spec 50 trim. This is the one that the Brian at the Mitsubishi dealer (He has an 11sec gsx with dsmlink) told me I should get for my plans. I actually favor this one because it comes with the Tial 38 waste gate, oil lines and everything. What do you think, This one or one of the 20 g's? Also, when I find an eprom ecu, I gotta send it to dsmlink? I'm, never gonna drive that damn car again!

[o*HeR()]

i got the dejon race fmic looks nice dont it

[kjewer1]

The 2g20g is really geared towards people that want to keep the stock intercooler. I would do a TDO6H 20g instead for your setup, $999. My friend Chad (www.posracing.net) is selling his AGP turbo kit. It has a freshly rebuilt 60-1. ITs big, but at 1500 bucks it could very well be the last turbo you ever buy. With a big fuel system and DSMlink there is no reason not to go big now, except lag. 25-30 psi comes in around the low 4000s. Just another option to consider.

You need to send the ECU to Dave Mertz IF it isnt socketed yet. Once its socketed changing the chips can be done by anyone with half a brain.

I would definitely do the HP pump as I said above since you need a reg with either one, so you might as well get the big one. If I remember correctly, under typical circumstances on race gas the 255 HP supports about 70 lbs/min worth of airflow. The 60-1 will do a touch over 60. Also, the WG is included and just botls to the manifold, saving you the hassle with that. Very well matched setup all around. Its a big setup no doubt, but well thought out, put together, and proven.

50 trim is a great option, as is the 6H 20g, both will get 25 psi just under 4000. You really cant go wrong. The supporting mods are really the most important thing here, and the lsit you have sounds great.

[joemathews]

I will be very interested to see what you think of the car when this is done, and to see what it runs at the track! Talk about night and day difference--I've heard of few people who have upgraded their cars to this extreme so fast (but I'm sure there are more people out there).

Kevin, what did Chad run on that turbo?

[xavier3jr]

yea i wana see some slip times !!! u need to go to the track soon after u get it done

[JoeWagon]

I decided against the AGP kit because of the manifold. All t3 manifolds are less durable than a 2g, and people have run 10's on ported 2g's. Another option is the EVO3 manifold, but I prefer a non-problematic manifold for a street car since there are so many options. If you want a 50 trim, you can get a bolton AGP with a garrett compressor side.

I'd rather spend $999 and an install kit even if the garrett turbo itself is a bit cheaper. Either way though will be an awesome upgrade. You could order an EVO3 exhaust manifold from SBR and have them weld a flange for an external gate, do internal and port your 2g mani, or get the t3 setup.

[kjewer1]

Chad put down 500 whp with that setup, but never beat his 11.8 at 121. He cant drive for shit, and only went to the track a couple times. Pussy I threw it on my car and ran 119 mph on pump gas, so there was obviously more in it for both of us. Others have gone very fast on stage 3/60-1s, and make us look like losers.

We both run the SFP manifold that AGP uses. Mine is the newer style with the extra bracing under the WG flange. I dont think one of this style has cracked yet. The allure of the AGP/SFP kit is how clean the install is. The WG vents all 4 runners. No water lines to ass around with, etc.

SOme pics here on Chads car. http://www.posracing.net/Chad.html

SOme pics on my car: http://www.posracing.net/to4r.html
http://www.posracing.net/bigmaf.html





Not trying to sway your opinion toward the AGP side, just trying to provide some more info to help in making the descision. I just think its a super clean setup, and straight garret turbos are extremely cheap to rebuild and AGP turns them around in less than a week typically. When you blow up as many parts as me that is a huge seling point I guess