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Cross 1 & 5 wires to start car
I have a 1987 6cy 3.8 Buick LeSabre and the following things have been checked or replaced.
Coil replaced Ecm replaced Battery replaced Alternator replaced Started tested Wires replaced Plugs replaced timing chain replaced crankshaft sensor replaced camshaft sensor replaced computer replaced and but old back in fuel injectors tested fuel filter replaced And I'm sure there are a few I have forgotten. The car starting running rough like it was only running 5 cyl. Then one day I drove to work and 3 hours later it wouldn't start, cranked over but wouldn't start. After leaving it jumped to another car for awhile finally got it started but it seem to load up and couldn't keep it started. Took it to a shop and they said I needed a new coil, alternator and battery. Picked it up and took it home and as I started driving again it still ran rough, took it back and it has been in the shop ever since (2 1/2 months) they can't find anything wrong. Now they have to cross the 1 & 5 wires just to get it started and can't keep it started and still runs worse then it did when I took it in. Getting pretty desperate and this point, this was suppose to be my winter car..... |
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Re: Cross 1 & 5 wires to start car
Did they replace all three coils? Did they replace the ICM (ignition control module) under the coils?
How about a compression check. |
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I have the one unit coil and it has been replaced along with the ICM.
I asked about the compression and I was told it is fine. |
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Re: Cross 1 & 5 wires to start car
Fuel Pressure test? Also am wondering if they have the wires crossed up anyway. Below 400 RPM (ie cranking) the spark sequencing is controlled by the crank/cam sensors and the ICM. Once it goes above 400 RPM (started) the ECM controls the spark timing.
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Not sure if a Fuel Pressure test was done but I did ask and it is getting fuel. Would there be any significance in why crossing the 1 and 5 wires works to start the car?
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Re: Cross 1 & 5 wires to start car
In General Automotive Images is a drawing of the wiring
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