Mustang vs Skyline round II

[SkylineUSA]

Just to let you guys know that a Mustang finished second behind a F40 in the Virginia Hill climb, only losing to the Ferrari by, get this .8sec.

1. Amir Rosenbaum, 3.25.371 F40
2. Guy Cunningham, 3.26.082 Mustang
3. Dennis Chiodo, 3.32.063 Viper ACR
4. Ori Rosenbaum, 3.32.348 Viper
5. David Wilson, 3.33.441 F355

If I remember corrctly there was a skyline there, but it didn't do so well. Motorex can clarify.

Respect the Stang, if not fear the Stang!

Motorex, just got there GTR into the 10's with a 150 direct port N2O shot, not bad. Blew a 2530 as well. That Sean really knows how to rip through those gears. Once you get to a point the front wheel drive of the Skyline is worthless in the 1/4, it basically becomes dead weight, that is why the GTR is a much better road course car.

[Holyterror]

Okay, lemme see if I can get this straight...

The original thread was Skyline vs Mustang, general comparison. It quickly digressed into 1/4 mile time vs. cost. I think it's only fair to broaden the discussion a little bit. First, there's the big difference between the two cars' strengths. I think I can safely say that Mustangs, regardless of age, are more inclined to becoming dragsters. And GT-Rs, being well-balanced cars, are more suited to autocross. Let's be honest, the front driveshaft and HICAS are worthless on a pure drag car, so a serious tuner would rip them off in an instant. You don't see this often, b/c it defeats the whole point of the GT-R. Kinda like fitting a heavy multi-link suspension and 4-wheel steering to a Mustang Boss. In summary, the Mustang has less trouble burning up 1/4 miles, the Skyline is equally at home tearing around corners.

Granted, stock Mustangs are nothing to fear, and stock GT-Rs (R32s in particular) make big, clumsy-looking turns. It's going to cost a decent sum to whip either into shape. In the US, a 12-second Mustang is quite feasable. In Japan, a ~1 G GT-R is equally achieveable. In contrast, getting a Boss 302 in Japan is probably very expensive, as are GT-Rs in the States. Plus, they have to be extensively modified to get them to pass emissions and run on our crappy pump gas. Europe seems to be somewhere in the middle with availability and pricing for both cars. Someone confirm this, I don't really know.

This ought to open the discussion up a bit, even if it's only to dispute everything I've said. Think about one thing, however: Ford reliability versus Nissan reliability. Better to have to fix a Skyline in the U.S. than a Mustang in Japan, since you'll be fixing the Mustang every weekend.

[SkylineUSA]

Yaeh,

Thats why I have 140,000 miles on my mustangs odometer without one breakdown, uh?

Your post really does not say that much, other than Mustang breakdown a lot, which is completly false. Other than that I agree with what you say.

As far as comparison II, that was basically a road course, uh?

Oh, and you can put a Mustang in te 12's for 8k, that is car and mods.

I want to go to Europe and see what my car can do against the likes of the skylines, evos, and subaros. I have the power, now I just need to set up the suspensionup an tune it. Like I said before, if I get my butt kick, I'll let you know. I know the first time I am out at the track I am going to get smoked, since I am just starting to set up te car for road racing, but once I have that done and get some seat time in we will see.

I like Skylines, but some of these kids on thee boards need to be educated that other cars can be made to beat them.

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by Holyterror
, and stock GT-Rs (R32s in particular) make big, clumsy-looking turns. It's going to cost a decent sum to whip either into shape. In the US, a 12-second Mustang is quite feasable. In Japan, a ~1 G GT-R is equally achieveable.

Ever seen the Best Motering video on the R34? Those sure an't clumsy looking turns at all. As to the ~1g GTR, I'm assuming you mean 1g while cornering, canman of SDU owns an R34 GTR V-SpecII, himself and a few other SDU members took a ride in his new car and reported 1.10 Gs off the stack while cornering, and not sliding at all.

Oh the whole I agree with you though in that both cars have their strong points, I just thought you were selling the GTR a bit short

[Tom_S8]

Originally posted by SkylineUSA

I like Skylines, but some of these kids on thee boards need to be educated that other cars can be made to beat them.

Again , this is nonsense , there's no point in saying "some cars can be made to beat some car " Of course with money you can make a civic beat a corvette , but buying a corvette makes more sense because it can be modded way further , and it costs less...

[SkylineUSA]

So, its more cost effective to buy a vet, where do you live Europe? If you live in England, lets race.

If you want to talk smack and you know nothing about cars (I'll use an assimile, like Fast and the Furious) and you write crap on these boards, these kids will take it as gospel. I'll use another one, Like its more cost effective to buy a vet for the "GO FAST CRACK PIPE" than it is a civic?

[R33]

Hehehehehehe, somehow or other, threads about car comparison can tickle my funny bone no end!
Cars within the same performance standard are difficult to objectively compare. How are we going to conclude that a 'Stang is obviously better than a GTR or vice versa? The 'Stang may rip the GTR apart in the quarter and the GTR may tear the 'Stang arse around the track. Take them both on the highways and nobody knows what's gonna happen. In the rain, again, nobody would know though I am quite certain the GTR would perform better in the rain.
To compare them properly, we have to take their respective prices in their country of origin. Set a ceiling in terms of cost of modifications, say, 10k USD for the 'Stang in the USA and X Yen in Japan. Bring both cars to Nurburgring and let them loose, around the track, on the drag strip, on the highways and country roads, come winter and summer. Drive them in town, through traffic for 3 months or so. Then I suppose we will know which is ARGUABLY the better car.
One thing I would take issue though, and that is on the ATTESSA's useability for drag purposes. I think it is useful as without it the rear wheel would spin as hell before the GTR launches. Two weeks ago at a drag event, I did about 10 passes, and take this, I am not exagerating, launching at 7000rpm at 1.5 bar of boost, my GTR did not spin at all!!! Try that on a Supra and I would eat your tyres if it did spin! Without the ATTESSA, the GTR would spin like crazy during those kind of launches.
At the end of the day, it is the all round performance of the car which counts. You can mod a Civic to fly but can it be driven everyday? Will it be reliable? There is this guy in S'pore with a 800hp GTR and damn, he has to drive in 3rd gear on the highways at 110kph (about 65mph)! I mean...shyte...what's the point? Ant there is this guy with a Diablo around town, he takes 5 min to side park! And he don't go to the track being fearful of overheating! Again, what's the point?
The point is, the GTR is an awesome car with awesome performance and REASONABLY comfortable and easy to drive around town up to 600hp mods. That one I know. Trust me.
As for the 'Stang, ask SkylineUsa. He should know. He drives one!
Just my 2 cents.
Peace.

[SkylineUSA]

Good post R33,

I'll meet you at Nurburgring. If your up for it, getting beat by a YANK TANK

You know I respect the Skyline, special yours, but truthfully I have No personnal experiance with the car, as of yet, but that will change in the near future. My true intent is to build the Stang to run with the Skylines, then sell her, so I can buy one. That should tell you which I would really like to see packed in my garage

Skyline is by far the better performance car coming from the factory.

You ran 10 1/4? What times did you get? 60ft, MPH trap, reaction, and total? If your dumping at 7000 and you have no slipping your 60ft should be the range of 1.40 or so. Thats a complete guess. I have been down to 1.71. I am thinking with your power you should be in the 10's. Am I close?

Drivability for the stang is very nice, the car is a little cold natured, and I should do a cam change, but I will have to wait til I get to England, since its always cold there

[Tom_S8]

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
So, its more cost effective to buy a vet, where do you live Europe? If you live in England, lets race.

If you want to talk smack and you know nothing about cars (I'll use an assimile, like Fast and the Furious) and you write crap on these boards, these kids will take it as gospel. I'll use another one, Like its more cost effective to buy a vet for the "GO FAST CRACK PIPE" than it is a civic?

Ermm i'm not trying to be not polite here , but you're pushing me... Luckily enough for you i don't live in England... Anyway if you want a meet at nurburring PM me... We'll see who talks smack or knows nothing about cars... You really watched f&f so much ? You must be really good a quadrable clutching while upshifting...

[SkylineUSA]

Race me at the Ring, Hell yeah!

[R33]

Hi Sky, I am a novice so far as drag is concerned!:o Did 11.39 the other day at full 1.47 bar of boost, 7000 rpm clutch dumping, no ETC and the quickest shifting I could manage! Redline at 8500 rpm. Tyres were my normal day to day Dunlop SP9000 (absolutely stooooopid grip compared to Bridgy SO2!) and the car was "as is" (no stripping of any kind bar the hi-fi system). And oh ya...one bottle of HKS DHOB in the tank!
Peak speed was 197 kph.
Of course my target is the 10s. If my skill ain't gonna improve, I think I would need slicks and probably Holinger or the HKS seq to do that! Perhaps a tripple plate clutch too! On second thought, perhaps I should stick to track racing!
Hey, when are you gonna be in the UK? Would love to hear the tale of you taking on the Brits in their GTRs!

[SkylineUSA]

That is awesome, low 11s with those tires. I am very impressed, but your speed shows you have plenty of power, but of course we al ready knew that. You put some slicks on that beast you will go pretty deep into the 10's.

You have no stereo?

I have to get rid of my trailor park magnet Stang, and get a GTR.

I really do not plan on keeping the car once I get over to England, run it a couple of times, get my ass kicked by those GTRs and sell her.

[CA31_JR]

Good posts guys. It is interesting to see so many different views. I'm from Oz and down here the biggest form of racing is the V8 Supercars. They are the Aussie muscle cars Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon. The allegance that these cars generate border son the fanatical. So much so that when a driver switches from driveing a Holden to driving a Ford he becomes major headline news an gets insulated by all former fans...

Back to the point though. Watching someone muscle a large car around a racetrack deserves respect no matter what type of car it is. I love the sound of a V8 at full roar. And I also appreciate the sound of the 6 cylinder Nissans both very different in tone.

It's the age old tradition of comparing one to another and some people like one but not the other and vice versa. Most of it is based on personal preference no matter what the specs on paper say.

You have to respect the Japanese for taking small capacity engines and turning them into huge horsepower monsters. They just seem to excel at this.

:bandit:

[Beth]

Thanks guys......I have thoroughly enjoyed following this thread since february. Its interesting to read all the different views and positives for each the stang vs skyline....:silly2: Each obviously have their positives and negatives.....Big up to the Skyline though!

[SkylineUSA]

Here is an old article I cam across a while ago. Getting back on subject.
Just a little food for thought.
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Grip-Box.pdf



Tom,

I apologize for my post to you. I can tell by your cars that you are an enthused just like me and I was out of line by my comments.