Eclipse GSX vs Evo

[kachok25]

I have seen of late there are alot of 600-700hp evos running around with a few of them getting over 750hp!!! Dosent the evo have the same 4g63 that the GSX has had for years (minus the larger turbo)???? Why havent I seen many GSXs using that kind of power? Does the GSX have a weaker driveline? Is there somthing that I am missing? Why is the Evo such a phnaomnon while the GSX is looked down on as an infirior machine (in some circles I am not talking about amoung its owners) Could somone build a low 10 second car out of a GSX just as easly as they could an Evo??? Any imput would be helpfull what are your thoughts??? Oh and one more thing is there somthing inharent in the Evos suspension/chasies that makes it corner better than the GSX or is it just the "no compromise" race settings they used.

[BoostedSpyder]

you have to realize that gsx's are getting old. evo's are the new thing. also take into effect the technology increase in the last 6 years that the gsx's have not been made. as well as the fact that you need a 6-bolt engine to make that kind of power at any kind of a resonably safe [650 hp reasonably safe??? lolol] thought. now think that the guy's that know anything about racecars these days know that the 4g63 is a badass engine because they grew up around big turbo'd gst/x's, and that same guy can go to a dealer and throw down the cash and drive off in an evo...

time is killing dsm's...

hi everyone! sorry i can't make it in more often!

[soyee7]

Evo are factory built rally cars, they are superior to the GSX except with a much higher price tag. Although people have been making 700+hp GSX and GST for years, far more than the number of evos that are out. The evo has had many years of engineering thrown at it and handles greater because of all the extra work that went in to making it. The basic platform of the 4g63 remains the same but there are many differences between the GSX 4g63 and the EVO 4g63, such as the cam durations, valves, CFM flow of the head, and many more minor but impactual changes. I definetally dont believe evo owners look down on there sister car the gsx, considering that more than half of EVO owners once or still own a DSM.

[kachok25]

Originally Posted by soyee7

Evo are factory built rally cars, they are superior to the GSX except with a much higher price tag. Although people have been making 700+hp GSX and GST for years, far more than the number of evos that are out. The evo has had many years of engineering thrown at it and handles greater because of all the extra work that went in to making it. The basic platform of the 4g63 remains the same but there are many differences between the GSX 4g63 and the EVO 4g63, such as the cam durations, valves, CFM flow of the head, and many more minor but impactual changes. I definetally dont believe evo owners look down on there sister car the gsx, considering that more than half of EVO owners once or still own a DSM.

Oh I never said the Evo owners looked down on them i am talking about the tuner market in genral. Givin the same modifacations how much more powerful would a evos 4g63 be than the GSXs

[Gsx_hooptie]

Not too many people own 600+hp cars. Most people who have the money to buy an Evo have the funds to build a serious car. And most people who have the money for the mods, would choose the Evo. It kind of goes both ways. I wouldn't say it's "easy" to make a ten second car out of anything, though.

The suspension geometry is superior on the Evo. It can't really be recreated. Even a stock Evo would badly abuse a mildly upgraded DSM on the track.

[kachok25]

Originally Posted by Gsx_hooptie

Not too many people own 600+hp cars. Most people who have the money to buy an Evo have the funds to build a serious car. And most people who have the money for the mods, would choose the Evo. It kind of goes both ways. I wouldn't say it's "easy" to make a ten second car out of anything, though.

The suspension geometry is superior on the Evo. It can't really be recreated. Even a stock Evo would badly abuse a mildly upgraded DSM on the track.

I would say so .97g on the skidpad that is corvette and viper numbers. 60-0 in 106ft that is better than the 360 modena. In fact that is the best breaking that I have ever seen on a production car.

[Talon69]

Originally Posted by kachok25

I would say so .97g on the skidpad that is corvette and viper numbers. 60-0 in 106ft that is better than the 360 modena. In fact that is the best breaking that I have ever seen on a production car.

Yes pretty close to corvette #s, skidpad on the z06 vette is 1.02g

IMO i still like the looks of the 2gs better than the evo.
But you cannot take anything from the evo, its a badass mofo.

That new zo6 vette is one badass machine also.

[Blackcrow64]

Doesn't the Evo have a completely different head than our DSM's, or is it just the internals of it?

[Talon69]

Originally Posted by Blackcrow64

Doesn't the Evo have a completely different head than our DSM's, or is it just the internals of it?

Yes its a totally different head

[kachok25]

Can you buy an aftermarket heads as good or better than the evos or is trying to get that kind of power out of the older engines out of the question?

[Talon69]

are 1g and 2g motors can handle all that also, 95-99 people are taking 1g heads and porting them, along with putting different cams in them.

[ez1286]

this will shut you up...http://shepracing.com/
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[2of9]

just out of my head, but do you guys know if the EVO 8's 4g63 motor is either a 6 or 7 bolt motor?

okay, all i hear is that alot of the 7 bolt dsmers are going 6 because they obviously want a more "solid" motor. And yes, there are a couple GSXs in the country running 10s, its just that we dont hear about it. I'm from minnesota and i know there's a 10 sec dsm here. I think most of the time if he cruises DSM sites, his screen name is Ecoli. I dunno if he's also here in AF.com

[crunchymilk55]

They have a 7bolt motor, although the c-walk issue has apparently been fixed

[kjewer1]

I have owned both cars obviously. What I find though is that a ton of new ricer 16 year olds are buying EVOs with daddy's money and don't know the history on the DSM thing like we do, so I used to get attitudes in the GSX all the time. Of course with the amount of power I had in the 2g I could take care of that attitude easily enough. Now being on the other side of the fence, I can say that the EVO is a far superior car in a lot of little ways. But in straight drag racing/power production terms, the DSMs will still get you to the same point with much less money invested overall. I have 30 grand in the EVO just for the stock car. The 2g, which was worth about 6k or so, and the 12k or so I had in it in mods, would rape a stock EVO in a straight line, for about half the price. It all depends on how much money you have to spend. Most poeple will do just as well with the DSMs. I like the chassis rigidity of the EVO, its brakes, interior build quality, superior seating position, etc. Some of these things can be built into the DSMs, while others can't. You could go back and forth for hours about it, and believe me I have. The 2g was a good time, and it was paid off But the EVO has it's advantages too. Like running 12.1 at 113 with just a filter, exhaust, and cams.

Another thing with the EVOs is that people with money are buying them for the most part, not poor starving college students. It's nothing to see someone with 10k on the odometer yank the motor and stroke it and toss on a GT35R, just because they can.